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    Default TKO's Spoke wheel jig

    Hi to all ,this is my Jig I have used for many years now, and it allows me to make small or large hubs or naves as some call them,,the gear wheels I use are from my lathe ,but i have saved a lot of gear wheels from other machines that I have come across mostly printers and type writers,they also have many small chains and sprockets that would suit the wooden models,any way a few pics of my Jig,the small screw on the base plate allows the degree to be set up in the vice for the spoke angle,hope this is clear,,,,,.


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    Hi TKO
    This wheel jig belongs in it own post in the best of the best wheel section
    Added later-- I mean the Mods should post it there ,as it is a top posting.Sorry to confuse you TKO
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    G,day Aussie,Now I am confused as to where I should post.

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    Your post is fine here Edwin if it is to go in the best of the best a mod will put it in there. Great jig.
    Cheers Elderly

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    Default Jig

    Thanks Elderly,being confused is dangerousI thought that I might have hijacked Aussies thread,So to further help if I can, I will show the way I make a wagon wheel
    rim using fellies as done in reall practice,or close, Ist pic is the jig I use, pic2is the segments cut and glued together, pic 3,is fixed in the lathe, then the cutting to size, I like where posible to fix the steel or brass tire on which helps keeping the very small pieces together as a bit of heavy handedness and the lot all comes adrift,and believe me it happens, if you like to peg the spokes through the rim then just remove the rim after you have glued the spokes in position , but the steel rim will save you heart ache,

    Cheers Edwin.

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    I hope this goes into the best of the best it certainly deserves to be there.
    Cheers Elderly.

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    Default Spoke Jig

    Thanks Elderly This wheel making seems to be all over the place ,would be good if it was all together ,so that any one making a wheel can view it all ,and choose which type of Jig they want to use,,Hope I havent put my foot in my mouth,any way thinking about the last post with the jig to hold the spokes in position I relized that not all would under stand what I was about,So I had some old spokes that were not up to scratch, I have glued a couple in the position they would be in the Jig that I have posted, ( I think I posted it) showing how you would get all the spokes to the correct length, by carefully turning the spokes they will all be sanded to the correct size and end shape to fit the rim,the small brass nob allows you to be able to move the spokes nearer to rhe sander after each spoke has been around once to sand off more, when correct size,fit rim glue in spokes and you can drill and pin for added strengthen then fit Iron Tyre, use washers under the nave or hub to get the correct dish I hope this is clearer than mud.
    This is one way to make a scale wagon wheel.

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    Your Wheel making talent and posting is top notch TKO. I don’t think the Mods responsible for posting in the best of the best realizes how much skill and knowledge has gone into your designs. To have someone as talented as you spending the time helping us upgrade our skills is just fantastic.
    I spent many-many hours before I worked out how to make fine wagon wheels to scale. Shaping the spokes, setting up the drill jig for the offset ,rolling the steel tyres,even turning the hubs at the same when I come to think about it LOL. If we had you posting back when I started , it would have made life a lot easier
    To find the Best of the Best click HERE then HERE then scroll down to Wheel Making Models This keeps them all together,but they all need to be here not just the odd ones if it is going to work.
    I did notify the Mods about moving your post as soon as I saw it days ago
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    Eventually--------- hooray----------- at last ------ about BL@@DY time-------- someone has eventually shown how it should and can be done, to make a proper SCALE MODEL WHEEL for SCALE model horse drawn vehicles, congratulations Eddie.

    So a question to to the 'mod' of this section, are you going to remove all the other "-orst of the -orst " posts, on how 'you' reckon it should be done, or at the very least, relegate those horrible others posts over to the toy section, where they really DO belong ?

    Eddie, why are you using pegs in the spoke ends that are going into the hub, why not square out each hole in the hub, then drive the spokes into the hub as they should be done ?
    They do tend to stay in place a lot longer and are a lot firmer, than those pegs your using.

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    Thanks to you all, I thought I had posted the jigs with the nail and wood posts , it looks like I have missed out posting them ,the 4th pic in the last post was the old Jigs that I would have shown,If I had managed to post,sorry about that.

    Well Mark, that is the correct way as you say to make square holes in the nave or hub,and tap them in, but it is just a way I have used, to explain the Jig I was using,
    This is the method used by John Thompson ,who has wrote many books on the subject.

    I used the same method thirty years ago and no wheels have come adrift yet, and to make slots againts round holes ,is up to the person making the model,,If you are going to make it exact to scale yes that would be the way to go ,remember of course the Scale ,the Correct Timber,and Steel , not to much Brass was used in the main building of a Wagon, Carriege or Coach,,But when its all painted who will know what was used , and if it looks right ,then I think its a good job. and believe me plenty of what was never used goes into the models and you will never know,unless told,and they make exelent models,

    If I was making a wagon not strictly to scale, and it would be getting a lot of handling by children I would probaly use the square hole method.for the strength.
    And thanks Aussie.


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    Hi Mardtrp it is clear that you are on this forum to cause trouble and not to win friends but having said that I am sure that someone that hands out criticism like you do must produce some brilliant work. I would love to see some of it.
    Cheers Elderly.
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    I would just like to add to Elderlys post,I also would like to think a person making an observation about another persons post ,with a question or criticising, would or should be admitting that they
    have only read up about making scale models,or have made a scale or are making a scale model, in which case it would be nice to see some of the work they have done.or work in progress, But I have taken no offence at Marks observation.

    Cheers Edwin.

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    Thanks for sharing your jig design with us Edwin. I was in London last week and had decided to purchase some mass produced spoked wheels but it was Easter saturday when I got around to going to the store and sue enough,, the store was closed over the Easter weekend so I have now decided to go back to making my own wheels.

    your jig looks awesome.well done.
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    Cheers John

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    G'Day Edwin,
    You sure are one very talanted and experienced craftsman.
    THANK YOU for sharing the jig and your knowledge with those of us who are still very much learning the JOY of toymaking.
    I for one very much appreciate all you experience and knowhow.
    Thank you for taking the time and effort to take some beaut photos and writing up the explaination notes.
    Thank you to the "mods" for adding such very well worthwhile knowledge into the "Best of the Best".
    Again, Edwin, thank you.
    Cheers, crowie

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    great looking jig there TKO, that would sure make it nice i'm a little ruff looking at that jig, ilike it tho
    Gary,

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