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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Well it had to happen sooner or later and yesterday it did and I was glad I was not there.
    Probability has a way of presenting itself! I experienced a similar issue in the local club when I was Secretary only it took about 8 weeks for me to find out!!!! The whole club covered it up for that long, as they knew I would get "cranky."

    The gentleman involved was a known hazard in himself. Well known to lose a bowl off the lathe two or three times at max speed in a session and the other members just joked about it. His injury occurred while ripping a small branch (approx. 50mm dia 140mm long as I was told) on end through the 14" bandsaw. The blade caught the leading edge of the top of the "blank" dragging his hand into the saw blades path. Near amputation of three fingers. Cause - ignoring all safety advice and recommended SOP's as he always knew better and "had been doing it this way for years".

    Probability always gets them in the end!!!
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    Bob out of interest did the tablesaw have a riving knife fitted ?
    A very similar accident happened to a mate of my bro back in 1970 or so.
    The guy was a boatbuilder and the shed never had a riving knife on the small circ saw.
    He pushed thru and grabbed behind and 3 fingers copped it.
    He had surgery and had a wire support with rubber bands to exercise his fingers whilst at the pub.
    Unfortunately he had a head on with a car on his scooter a year or so later and carked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clear out View Post
    Bob out of interest did the tablesaw have a riving knife fitted ?
    I don't believe it did.
    I think they took it off when they fitted and thinner kerf blade.
    Even though it had not riving knife putting hand/fingers behind the blade is asking for trouble

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I don't believe it did.
    I think they took it off when they fitted and thinner kerf blade.
    Even though it had not riving knife putting hand/fingers behind the blade is asking for trouble
    My first thought when reading this sorry tale was: but, but, but - what about using a bandsaw for that kid of job?
    That's what bandsaws (possibly with a zero clearance insert) are really good at. And you can still use a
    push-stick.

    I must admit, I don't even have a tablesaw in my workshop because I like my fingers 'whole'.
    I am positively paranoid about tablesaws. If I ever win the
    lotto I might get a sawstop. Might. But I seem to do fine between bandsaw, RAS, and tracksaw for sheets;
    and those sawstops are expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.W.H. View Post
    My first thought when reading this sorry tale was: but, but, but - what about using a bandsaw for that kid of job?
    That's what bandsaws (possibly with a zero clearance insert) are really good at. And you can still use a
    push-stick.

    I must admit, I don't even have a tablesaw in my workshop because I like my fingers 'whole'.
    I am positively paranoid about tablesaws. If I ever win the
    lotto I might get a sawstop. Might. But I seem to do fine between bandsaw, RAS, and tracksaw for sheets;
    and those sawstops are expensive.
    Interestingly I wrote this today in a related post.
    It depends on what you are looking at.
    Long terms injury stats based on hundreds of accident report don't actually support that BS are safer than BS.
    Tables saws a have a MUCH longer "hours of use per incident" and "Much longer hours of use to first incident" for both DIYers and Pro operators. The reason people think TS are more dangerous is maybe because there are so many more of them out there than BS, so the incident numbers are higher.

    In an opposite sense operators think BS are safer and so are perhaps a bit more casual with them leading to more injuries.
    Both will cut digits and limbs off with equal speed and efficiency.

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    Is all the safety gear provided or do the guys have to bring their own? I don't think you've got an option, because you're supervising your will be on the line if something goes wrong. You MUST politely but firmly point out to these guys, even if they're old enough to be your dad, that they have to use their safety gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gritpipe View Post
    Is all the safety gear provided or do the guys have to bring their own? I don't think you've got an option, because you're supervising your will be on the line if something goes wrong. You MUST politely but firmly point out to these guys, even if they're old enough to be your dad, that they have to use their safety gear.
    Some people bring their own PPE but there's heaps provided usually gathering dust in a corner.

    You mention the term "supervising" that's just it , no one is a real "supervisor", the committee made that clear from the shed's inception when I joined. No one is in charge of anything really but the committee does call for volunteers to help with "tasks" like stock management, the newsletter, electrical (we have 2 really good sparkies), etc. Everyone is supposed to be a safety officer. There is a team of "coordinators" and two are assigned for each session. Their aassigned tasks are to open and close the shed, show newbies what to do, and help members with projects, finding tools, advising on materials, talks to the public that come in, field shed telephone calls etc. They cannot TELL anyone what to do and then boot them out if they won't do it. Well a few people have tried to do that and eventually they left in frustration. It's all supposed to be nice a friendly and casual. I like casual a lot - but this is too casual for me.

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    Old thread but still relevant. I pay subs to a club with a committee, each with a specific role. My role is safety with prominent support from the committee at general meetings and a Safety Corner "piece" in each newsletter. Session supervisors must unlock main machines when asked and check intended use and user. Safety posters are prominent and kept "fresh" with a mix of humour, seriousness and regular changes to get noticed. Basically, safety is a team effort from the Top.

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    I attended the AGM meeting of our mens shed last week with about 25 of the notionally 100+ members attending. Despite the serious incident that occurred recently in the shed, Safety was not an item on the agenda. I arrived a bit late but safety was not even mentioned during the time I was there. The main agenda items were the shed coordinator's report and the election of the new committee - which was a non event because nominations matched the number of positions. About half an hour was spent on things like, motions to change the voting procedure for the committee, and motions regarding the procedure for discussing motions. I nearly walked out but I had to rest my bung knee which got quite sore from getting to the meeting. The new committee contains a couple of new members who might take safety more seriously than in the past. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    The new committee contains a couple of new members who might take safety more seriously than in the past. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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    In my experience, Safety leadership comes from the top down.
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