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    Default My Roubo bench WIP

    How to start….

    This is a workbench support group isn’t it ????.
    “Hello my name is Brett and I want to build a work bench. Their I’ve got it of my chest and I feel better.”
    The last time I did any woodwork was like a lot of you in school but 2 years ago I bought a wood lathe joined a turning club and was having a ball. Then I found the forum.
    Then one night I came across the workbench section of the forum and found the thread about groggy’s bench and all the others, bought a copy of Chris Schwarz book and. . . . .

    It’s all been downhill from there.

    I knew after seeing the workbench builds featured on here that one day I had to build one. So began my quest to find the timber to build what I wanted. You’d think it would be easy. But there began an 18month search. You see I it had to be thick, I’d gone through all the options and a bench top made of a lot of thin wide boards just wouldn’t cut it.
    Every night after dinner I’d be straight on to E-bay, Gumtree and any other site where I might find someone selling large section hardwood.


    Damn you Groggy and your workbench.


    Last week my efforts finally paid off. I was at work, working with a guy I barley knew when an auction for unused railway sleeper ended 25c per metre higher than my bid. When I told him what I was trying to buy he said my brothers got something like that in his backyard.
    A quick phone call latter and his brother confirmed it. It turns out his brother works for a company replacing 30+ year old timber private power poles. Quick check on the size ( 145x145) quick check on the length (5m+) great and the price free just Come and get them .

    So now I can start my very own roubo/groggy workbench
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    Bit of work cutout for that no 5!

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    Oh goody!! another apprentice weightlifter!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by code4pay View Post
    Bit of work cutout for that no 5!
    I recon he better build the hoist first, bit of lifting there when the laminates are finished

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    Quote Originally Posted by artme View Post
    Oh goody!! another apprentice weightlifter!!!
    aaagh Artme that quote had me in stitches on the couch.....you funny bastard!

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    Milo
    you think you where in stiches. I spent 5hrs on sunday removing 45 nails. most of that time was trying to move them or trying to find someone stupid enough to help me move them. The 4th photo shows 4 of the nails I remove, if you look closely you'll notice there all masonary nails, normal nail just bend when you hammer them into this stuff.

    Groggy had kiwibruce to help I've got a mate kiwiken and after the 4th move he went into witness protection to get out of helping.

    Just read through your build so I think you understand the weights involved.

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    I'll be watching with interest

    Any idea on what vises your going to use?

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    Better still, the name, phone and company of this fellow so we can get our grasping mits upon it too...

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    Evanism
    Better still, the name, phone and company of this fellow so we can get our grasping mits upon it too...
    Evanism
    Love to share but I might need some more myself and it wouldn't be any good if you had it all.

    groeneaj
    I'll be watching with interest

    Any idea on what vises your going to use?
    groeneaj
    I didn't think it would take long for somebody to ask that question.
    most benches seem to end up against a wall where as mine will be an island bench, so the plan is to build the bench 2100 x 600 and somewhere around 830-900 high with a leg vice and a wagon vice in the same layout as groggy's. I've got a 175 dawn face vice that I might mount diagonally opposite the leg vice. With plenty of dog holes that should cover most holding requirements.
    In regard to the hardware for the leg and wagon vice, I love the look of Benchcrafted hardware but even with the saving I made on the timber I just can't justified the expense.
    One question for everyone. Timber vice screws traditional where a 90deg thread angle with 60deg (a metal thread angle)more common now.
    Yet steel vice screws are more commonly Acme.
    what are the pro's and con's of using a steel vice screw m30 x 3.5mm for the leg vice and a m24 x 3.5mm for the wagon vice????
    I know Benchcrafted are 4tpi and the 2 threads I just mentioned are closer to 7.25tpi so it would mean an extra 3.25 revolutions of the handwheel to move the jaws 25mm.


    Thoughts????

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    This could be another good one to watch. I see that you are located in Sydney. Are you going to the working with wood show this weekend. If so drop by the Wood Work Forum stand.

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    Subscribed! Good luck mate.

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    Benchcrafted, wow, they make some very nice vices. They are on my Big List.

    The X vice for the front is very desirable.

    The only undesirable aspect is the postage. Yowsers.

    Perhaps one our forum-suppliers might like to bring a bunch over? Hmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsg View Post
    .......One question for everyone. Timber vice screws traditional where a 90deg thread angle with 60deg (a metal thread angle)more common now.
    Yet steel vice screws are more commonly Acme.
    what are the pro's and con's of using a steel vice screw m30 x 3.5mm for the leg vice and a m24 x 3.5mm for the wagon vice????
    I know Benchcrafted are 4tpi and the 2 threads I just mentioned are closer to 7.25tpi so it would mean an extra 3.25 revolutions of the handwheel to move the jaws 25mm.
    bsg, I think there is little difference in practice between 60 & 90 deg threads for wood. Most of my wood threads are 60 deg, & I actually prefer 60 because the 90s get rather too sharp and the tips are a bit fragile (though all wood threads should be heavily truncated). Anyway, the 2", 4tpi screw on my tail vise has 60 deg threads & has been functioning perfectly well for about 27 or 28 years.

    If you can get M30 shafts at a good price, it's worth a try, imo. Why not keep it simple & use the same size for both vises? The pitch is rather fine for this job at 7tpi, but it depends how much winding you will need to do. Front vises usually aren't asked to travel very far, since they are mostly required for holding boards on edge, so it may not trouble you too much on the leg vise. You can minimise the winding on your 'wagon vise' by keeping the dog hole spacings on the bench as close together as possible. On my bench, I originally spaced the dog holes at 100mm on both bench & tail vise, which was not very clever, I soon discovered. Even at 4tpi, I seemed to be forever winding that tail vise handle, so after 25 years or so, I pulled the vise to bits & added more dog holes. Now life is much easier!

    Cheers,
    IW

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    what a great day. got up early, took the wife to work the kids to school and headed into Homebush to the TWWW show and got to meet a few of the other forum members.
    My main reason for heading in was I've got the wood for my bench but I needed wood for the leg and face vice chop's. So my first stop was at Boutique timbers to meet Greg Ward and find the right piece for my needs.
    There was a lot of choice and at the start no one piece stood out. Then I saw a piece of Brush box 2700 x 310 x 45 with diagonal fiddleback running the length of the board and to start with I wasn't sure if it was the piece I wanted. So I diecided I'd have a look around and if it was still there latter then it must be the one. I came back a couple of times still undiecided but in the end couldn't help myself and so I now have my chop wood. I'm just annoyed with myself that I drove the wife's stationwagon and not my ute so I had to get Greg to cut it down.
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    The vice hardware

    Ianw thanks for your input.

    I'd like to use the same thread for both vices but thats where the problems start. The wagon vice uses a left hand thread so when you turn the handwheel clockwise the dog block moves away from you to tighten the vice.
    I can get allthread rod for the legvice in M30 x 3.5 x 1m for $36.70 (enough for 2 vices) but when it comes to the left hand thread the M30x3.5 is $72.60 a metre and the M24x3.0 is $36.30 a metre.
    So being that one has a right hand and the other a left hand thread and so won't match I don't think the wagon vice really needs a M30. The M24 will have all the strength with half the cost and yes I know the M24 is a 3.0 pitch and will require more turns to close or open the vice. That's a price I'm willing to pay.

    Total cost for the allthread and nuts will be $95.08
    2 second hand cast iron handwheels $50
    other steel needed= scrap bin $25
    time on my metal lathe to make the hand wheels fit the all thread =free
    Total cost for Benchcrafted style vice hardware=$170.08
    Even if I splurge and either find a supplier in Australia or order Acme rod from America I know I cand make my own hardware for well under the cost of Benchcrafted.

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    just have to decide if I like the old used industrial look or if I want to get the handwheels re plated.

    Maybe Brass handwheels would look different???
    Brett

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    Just realized how long it had been since I last posted.
    Proud to say I have finally done some more on the bench.
    It seems when you start a project like this there are so many things to do before you can start. First i had to go back and clean up that space in the workshop that I had put aside for the new bench. In the time it had taken to find the timber, that space like all flat surfaces in my shop had become a stuff magnet.
    So I cleaned up and now had room to work, but in order to use the jointer and not fill the workshop with sawdust I had to finish the cyclone that I started 18months ago. (hope this isn't a sign of things to come). Once the cyclone was finished, ducting was next. I've only completed enough ducting to connect the cyclone to the jointer.
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    I diecided to work on the leg timbers first.
    So the next hurdle was finding somebody stupid enough to help feed a 2m and then a 3m length of 150x150 hardwood through the jointer.
    when I couldn't find any body to help, I struggled with the 2m length and then diecided to cut the 3m into 1m lengths for the legs. Even cutting the timber to lenghth was fun, I had to cut through each side with my circular saw then cut the last bit with a handsaw. The legs will be cut to final size on a table saw.
    So I now have four legs dressed on two sides, and as soon as I get my tax cheque it's of to buy a thicknesser.
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