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Thread: New vises for a new bench
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27th September 2011, 09:19 PM #16
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3rd November 2011, 05:54 PM #18Novice
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Benchcrafted Vises
Guys,
Can anyone provide me with rough shipping/postage costs for a couple of the Benchcrafted vises? I am thinking the Wagon Vise and the Leg Vise would suit my needs.
Thanks,
Bruce.
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3rd November 2011, 05:59 PM #19Golden Member
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Hi Bruce,
Here's the details I was given on my recent order ...
Here's the deal, we're now able to ship the BMP either Priority or Flat rate priority boxes. The rub is that the flat rate boxes offer less protection than the single box which allows more packing material. The upside is that the flat rate saves you over $100.00! Both are insured, but the flat being less protected may be more prone to damage (we don't think it will be an issue but we're giving people the option).
Priority $310.00
Flat rate boxes $210.00
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3rd November 2011, 10:32 PM #20Novice
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Benchcraft
Thanks Af,
I assume that the $310 is per/box?
Bruce.
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3rd November 2011, 11:04 PM #21Golden Member
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Re: New vises for a new bench
Good question. I assume it is for the complete Bench Makers Package, so for the two vice. Email them though to confirm.
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4th November 2011, 10:10 AM #22Novice
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Benchcrafted
Yes. Will do. I'll post further info when/if I receive it.Thanks again,Bruce.
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4th November 2011, 11:09 AM #23
Hi Derek,
Any thoughts on your vice selection to date? The options seem to be many and varied these days. Cost is significant so getting the right vices 'fit for purpose' to suit you work is an even bigger decision than the bench layout perhaps.
Cheers
Pops
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4th November 2011, 02:08 PM #24
Hi Perry
Vises ...
I am planning a Roubo. This will have a leg vise, which I will build myself - I have a few ideas to incorporate. I already have a 2 1/2" diameter wooden screw for this.
There will also be a wagon tail vise. I have ordered the BenchCraft. This should arrive in about a month (shipping is $120 at this stage, for those asking).
And of course most have seen my Moxon dovetail vise. It is the advent of this that changed the course from a double-screw face vise to a leg vise.
The leg vise is to hold work for edge jointing. The wagon/end vise is for face planing.
The bench build will probably only start at the end of the year. Too many other projects to do. I'd rather be building for the house than the workshop, but this bench will certainly make life easier. My current bench is a miserable 5 foot long (actually a little under 5') and work holding has always been a challenge.
Regards from Perth
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4th November 2011, 11:30 PM #25acmegridley Guest
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5th November 2011, 05:18 PM #27Are you only using hand tools Derek?
This may take a while ................................. zzzzZZZZZ
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27th November 2011, 10:18 AM #28
I have been helping another forumite with some preparation work for his new bench, which naturally leads to some discussion on the wheres & whyfores. He also lent me Chris Schwarz's bench book, which I read with interest. I liked his benches very much, they are elegant and simple (MUST find something to try those tenon/dovetail leg joints on!), and I really liked his way of analysing what he needed in his bench.
However, this is the more interesting aspect to me - applying the same analyses of how to deal with the most-often performed operations in my work, I come up with quite different solutions. I think this emphasises how individual needs (and workspaces - a very important consideration!) are going to influence your idea of the ideal bench.
What got me musing along these lines are the leg & wagon vises Chris favours, which seem to be enjoying a boom in popularity amongst woodworkers of the 21st century. For me, they are both non-starters. I like my wide-jawed, home-made, front vise, because it is very convenient to hold, amongst other things, my larger saw chops, and chair seats for carving. I could achieve the same end with a wide, thick wooden insert in a large quick-release vise, but would have to muck about to adapt a leg vise to carry a wide jaw without excessive strain on the screw mechanism.
I also greatly prefer an old-style tail vise to the 'travelling dog' (or 'wagon vise' as it has become better known), mehanism (in my first post above, I had a brain-fade & referred to my vise as a shoulder vise by mistake). A tail vise is a more versatile tool (& no more difficult to construct, IMO). Granted, it's no better than the travelling dog at clamping boards flat on the bench top (which is one of its major roles) but being able to hold an object firmly in the jaws at 90 degrees to the front of the bench is often a big convenience for some jobs I do regularly. Clamping a (narrow-ish) board vertically in a wagon vise (as shown in one of the advertising videos I saw) seems totally pointless to me. It's easier to stick it in the front vise, which gives you the same orientation, & you don't need to fossick about for a wedge or something to stop it moving fore & aft, if you intend applying any force to it.
The really dumb thing I did was to make the dog-hole spacing the same in both the bench & the vise - someday I will make a vise with closer spaced holes.
For those following this thread who are starting or contemplating their first bench, I suggest that the 'perfect' bench is an unattainable illusion (even Groggy will find something he can't do easily, some day! ), and if it did exist it would be different for each of us. And it's probably an unnecessarily high goal for anyone starting out, anyway. If your bench does all the jobs you know you regularly tackle easily & well, you have a good bench. It's usually easy enough to devise some workaround for an unusual task. In Derek & Groggy's cases, you have blokes who have built or are building their third or fourth (or more! ) benches after years of experience, and they know what they need most, and they will end up with different products. For those on their first 'real' bench, don't stress too much - your next one will be much closer to perfection.........
Cheers,IW
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27th November 2011, 10:26 AM #29GOLD MEMBER
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After watching the video of the 21st Century bench, I'm hoping that I will have all the clamping options I need, with a wide Hovarter face vice and a 7" tail vice. These plus the strategically spaced dog holes on both the top and the front seem to give lots of options. but only time will tell. I have yet to decide how to space the dog holes.
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