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    Looking kman.
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    Thanks guys. The good wife and I decided to spend the last day of our holidays with the kids, so there probably won't be any more progress for a week or two.

    Gary from Hoppers? Got sick of working on cars? (EDIT: ah, not, then! What engine are you working on now.) I kid you not the last car that fit in my garage was yours.... Welcome to the mad house fella.
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    kid+s! nice one, hope they're doing well! first car going to be an n13 each or what? heh speaking of kids, little mika (ie not the tall one) is married and recently had his first

    i wont chunk your thread up too much more but yeah, still into cars in a fair big way working on an immensely powerful 1.5 pushrod datsun 4 banger. power i could only dream of; 40something hp at the crank!

    this forum's been great, guided me into a lathe and bunch of other stuff, milling machine is on the cards in a month or so and a better welder a while after that. should you find yourself in need of some mild metalworking machinery at some stage...

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    G, by the time my two are old enough to drive the N13 will be a relic. Say congrats to mika for me! This forum hasn't been great, it is great. I might just take you up on the metal work offer, I'll be needing a lathe for some brass work soon.

    Anyway with the little master on holiday at Nana's place for the weekend I've finished off the tenons and I'm readying myself for draw-boring the frame together.

    Before I go glueing up the frame ends, who reckons I should do the prep' work for installation of a leg vice in future? I don't intend to use one, but you never know, and I'd have a much harder time doing this after the fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kman-oz View Post
    Before I go glueing up the frame ends, who reckons I should do the prep' work for installation of a leg vice in future? I don't intend to use one, but you never know, and I'd have a much harder time doing this after the fact.
    With all the superb alternatives these days, I don't see the advantage of a leg vice. If Roubo had the option of a Record No.52, Jorgensen or similar, I'm pretty sure he'd have dumped the leg vice.
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    a man can never have too many vices!

    Quote Originally Posted by kman-oz View Post
    G, by the time my two are old enough to drive the N13 will be a relic. Say congrats to mika for me! This forum hasn't been great, it is great. I might just take you up on the metal work offer, I'll be needing a lathe for some brass work soon
    will do, and no dramas

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    Nifty backsaw holder in piccy 3 - might have to make one
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    I went and glued the frame ends together over the weekend. I'm glad I didn't bother to loosen the joints because last weeks hot weather did it for me, the whole lot just slid together by hand, no wiggling and no mallet!

    I'll do a final check of the front and rear stile joints before draw-boring next weekend.
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    Slow progress I'm afraid, I found after the glue-up that the frame ends weren't square. Worse still they were each skewed in opposite directions making the front legs far from parallel. The good news is that I was able to deepen the tenons shorten the legs a couple of millimetres to square it all up again. The only real problem with this now is that front stretcher won't be parallel to the top any more. If I hadn't planned on a sliding deadman this wouldn't be a problem at all of course...

    It's all about the experience isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kman-oz View Post
    It's all about the experience isn't it.
    I know the feeling Dave

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    Well the experience has grown; I draw-bored half of the frame together yesterday. I don't know what all the fuss was about in hindsight, it was quite simple, and far easier than clamping. Setup time is a little longer but the actual glue-up is far less stressful because there are no unknowns. I always get anxious during a glue-up because I never quite know if it's going to go smoothly, but with draw-bored joints there's just no guessing.

    I'm beginning to appreciate the wisdom of using a 1/8" offset for the tenon holes too. Obviously this is too much for most Aussie hardwoods, but even this can be managed by shaving your draw pins down a little further. The reason it's a good thing is because you can then afford for your markings to be less that perfect (say +/- 1mm) and still have plenty of offset for drawing the joint together. In future I'll be marking with a 2mm offset to allow for my innaccuracies with the drill.

    The other thing I learned about draw boring is that no matter how snug you think the draw pins are during dry fit, with a little glue they will slip in quite easily under a few light mallet taps. Again, in hindsight I would have left a little more meat on the pins to allow them to draw the joint more effectively.

    Because I wasn't at all confident in the process I decided to do the first two joints one at a time. First the rear right, then the front right, leaving the left two to be assembled at once. I figured by then I'd be more confident and could handle the two in one hit. The problem with this approach was that I had to prepare all of the joints with no practice. Obviously I should have made some practice joints first, but I just don't have a lot of time to work on this stuff presently. So I'm left with the two remaining joints ready to go but with only 0.5-1mm of offset. Enough, but I'd have liked a little more given this new knowledge.

    Given that this bench is a much an excersice in practicing traditional skills as it is a tool to facilitate them, I'm pleased to say that I'm damn enjoying the learning experience!
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    Well done you!
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    I finished the left end last night with draw pins that fit far more snug, these required a few decent swings of the mallet to seat. Very firm joints, no wracking even while wet. Once I've cleaned up the glue I'll post some pics of the (finally) completed frame.
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    Nice work on the draw-boring. Looking forward to the photos.


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    I came. I looked for the photos. I turned and walked away slowly and all sad. No photos.

    Keep up the good progress K-Man. I will wait patiently for the photos.

    Cheers
    Pops

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