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    Default Workbench top - soft or hard timber?

    Hi everyone,

    I've been weighing up the pro's and con's of a softwood vs hardwood workbench top (~85mm thick). I'll be going down the path of a split top Roubo style (http://fine-tools.com/roubo-hobelbank.html). Face vise will be the Veritas twin screw, and I have bought a HNT Gordon tail vise - although I'm still to be 100% convinced if this will hold a piece enough while I route an edge on it (for example), or is this vise aimed at holding pieces while they are hand planed? Feedback on this vise would also be very appreciated.

    Back to the softwood vs hardwood debate...

    I can get some 90 x 45 Blackbutt at a price that is not much more than 90x45 construction pine, so price isn't a factor.

    The main thing I have read is that softwood won't damage a project (or tool blades) if it is 'banged' on the bench as much as a hardwood bench would. I understand this, but I'd be careful moving projects round no matter what bench material is used.

    Arguably, I probably wouldn't have to maintain a hardwood benchtop as much as pine top.

    A blackbutt bench would be heavier to move while building, but this is a once off and help will be available.

    I see there have been a few Blackbutt workbenches on here, does anyone have any feedback on that timber, or on the soft/hard wood debate? Thanks.

    Nathan.

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    Do you have access to machines for the grunt work or are you using hand tools?

    Do you see yourself regretting either decision down the road eg wish I had have used...

    In my case I bought and had ready to go enough softwood (Oregon) then changed my mind to the hardwood which just happens to be Blackbutt. Why, hardwood well I thought it would last a bit better which is not exactly a sound theory and Blackbutt specifically well it was a lighter colour timber that was affordable.Both will serve you well.

    Remember with the split top it was designed to be broken down and moved. It will never be as heavy as the solid top while you are working on it only when it is finished

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pac man View Post
    Do you have access to machines for the grunt work or are you using hand tools?

    Do you see yourself regretting either decision down the road eg wish I had have used...

    In my case I bought and had ready to go enough softwood (Oregon) then changed my mind to the hardwood which just happens to be Blackbutt. Why, hardwood well I thought it would last a bit better which is not exactly a sound theory and Blackbutt specifically well it was a lighter colour timber that was affordable.Both will serve you well.

    Remember with the split top it was designed to be broken down and moved. It will never be as heavy as the solid top while you are working on it only when it is finished

    Thanks Pacman.

    I'll be using mostly power tools (saw and router) for the joints, and finishing/trimming with chisels. I'll even use the Wood Whisperer's video (episode 174) to flatten the top with the router (my plane skills aren't up to standard yet).

    I think I'll regret the pine decision if I go down that path too.

    The only other decision now is what height? I think I'll do a bit of work at my Triton router table and see how that goes for planing and other bench work. If that seems comfortable that will answer that question, or I can lower/heighten it to see what is comfortable.

    Nathan.

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    Do you have acces to a jointer or thicknesser if you go the blackbutt path?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_wanna_Shed View Post
    Thanks Pacman.

    I'll be using mostly power tools (saw and router) for the joints, and finishing/trimming with chisels. I'll even use the Wood Whisperer's video (episode 174) to flatten the top with the router (my plane skills aren't up to standard yet).

    I think I'll regret the pine decision if I go down that path too.

    The only other decision now is what height? I think I'll do a bit of work at my Triton router table and see how that goes for planing and other bench work. If that seems comfortable that will answer that question, or I can lower/heighten it to see what is comfortable.

    Nathan.
    Nathan,

    My bench top is pine..actually 99% of the bench is pine (all recycled). It's got dings and gouges all over it but it's stood the test of time.

    May be in a few more years it will need the router and the sled combo to go over it, but I'm in no hurry at the moment.

    Height wise it depends on your stature. I think there was a thred on bench heights but one member was 6'4" so the standard height didn't work for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pac man View Post
    Do you have acces to a jointer or thicknesser if you go the blackbutt path?
    6" jointer and the usual 'lunchbox' thicknesser (12 or 13" or whatever they are). I'll work within those confines.

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    Afro Boy did his with these check out his WIP.

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    I did mine with a 6" jointer and a Ryobi thicky. All hardwood. worked out fine.
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    The advantage of hardwood is you get more weight for a given size. Weight in a bench used for hand tool work is good (up to a point). Radiata is a pretty tough wood, actually (if that is one of the woods you are considering), and quite dense for a softwood, so that's not such a biggie.

    Softwoods are generally pale, our hardwoods are generally dark, so if you are in the camp that likes a light-coloured bench, that might be a consideration. (Frankly, it doesn't matter what colour my bench is, I can't see it under the job I'm working on plus all the other junk that accumulates during any job! ).

    Recycled hardwood is often available free, or for very little.

    Other than that, I don't think it makes a heck of a lot of difference. I've had both. I prefer hardwood, for a couple of reasons (weight, doesn't get chewed up as quickly, so longer periods between resurfacing ( a tougher job though!), and mounting hardware with coach screws into hardwood is as good as using metal bolts.)

    This business that softwoods don't damage your work has been mentioned before. This intrigues me. In 50-plus years of woodworking, I can't say that benches attacking my work has ever been a major problem. I've occasionally dropped stuff on concrete floors, with unpleasant results, but the short distance from hand to bench isn't usually enough to cause other than a very superficial mark on anything - even cedar.

    Cheers,
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    Nathan wish you'd said something last week spotted a stack of HW pallets and a stack of softwood elsewhere just don't recall where

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    Well, I've gone down the hardwood path

    About 70m of Blackbutt. There's a workbench in there somewhere....

    Just need to grab some Jarrah for the plane stop, vise chop, and sliding deadman.
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