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7th April 2013, 08:05 PM #136
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9th April 2013, 02:20 PM #137
Thank you for your reply. I apologize for the delay. Retirement is remarkably time consuming.
My reasoning:
The patternmakers vice seems competitive in price and offers tremendous versatility.
I assume they are fairly strong both in clamping and holding to the bench ?
I realize there are much cheaper/simpler/prettier options but if the patternmakers will carry a pair of dogs well at the end of the bench like a wagon or tail vice, do what a conventional vice will do, plus add the vertical clamping AND the tapered work and narrow jaws it just looks to me like it'd cover a lot of situations no matter which way your woodworking interests develop. Carving ? yes, tapered legs, tick. Hand hacking a tennon or mortice at the top of a long piece, done, clamp down a job to the top of the bench, plane the face of a triangular piece....
From the posts here it seems to me it's one obvious shortcoming is flush clamping to the apron. Face vice, tick
Anyway just a though.
I encourage everyone to keep this and the self made vice threads going. Most informative. Thank you all for your trouble.I'm just a startled bunny in the headlights of life. L.J. Young.
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11th April 2013, 02:31 PM #138
Maybe you might want to keep some measurements appropriate to each option as well ... ? (eg depth of holding)
The leg vice job depth depends on where the screw sits in relation to the whole jaw.
In CS's book Workbenches (fd&ttc&u), the Nicholson bench leg vice has 17" above the screw (diagonally, cos it is a diagonal leg vice). Also having the apron it doesn't necessarily require a deadman.
(OK - appears from the plans to be 13"-14" vertical height above the screw)
((I've also been wondering if you could design it so the the bottom guide disconnects and you swing it through 90' to a second guide and use it as a "face vise"))
(((I'm sorry. I drive around, I think of stuff. )))
Cheers,
Paul
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11th April 2013, 02:52 PM #139
(fd&ttc&u) Que?
Also having the apron it doesn't necessarily require a deadman. I've been thinking similarly since seeing Chrism3's bench. It does mean that F-clamping something to the top requires a bigger clamp, or just using the dog 'oles in the top.
and you swing it through 90' to a second guide and use it as a "face vise" but to get it to be level with the top of the bench you'd sacrifice most of the depth that you gained by using a leg vise....surely self-defeating?
I'm sorry. I drive around, I think of stuff. Better than lying in bed thinking of it.
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11th April 2013, 03:13 PM #140
"from design and theory to ..."
Also having the apron it doesn't necessarily require a deadman. I've been thinking similarly since seeing Chrism3's bench. It does mean that F-clamping something to the top requires a bigger clamp, or just using the dog 'oles in the top.
and you swing it through 90' to a second guide and use it as a "face vise" but to get it to be level with the top of the bench you'd sacrifice most of the depth that you gained by using a leg vise....surely self-defeating?
I said I was thinking about it ... I didn't say it made sense. I also think about sneakers made of cheese ... mmmm cheeese
Although since I wrote that ... what if the screw/nut assembly could travel up and down in a slot ...
("Oh Max ..." "Cmon '99' - there's work to do")
This is more for Ian's Shop-made thread ... 'cept Ian wouldn't want it.
Cheers,
Paul
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11th April 2013, 03:18 PM #141
Dammit. So easily distracted. The reason I was back here was this quote for your consideration ...
Mike Siemsen's blog | Mike Siemsen's School of Woodworking
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Nicholson Vise Question
Submitted by Mike Siemsen on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 13:48
I received this question from another Mike wondering about the „original style“ vise on the Nicholson Bench.
Mike,
I hope this finds you doing well. I have a quick question regarding your Nicholson bench. I currently have a Nicholson which has a twin-screw vise rather than a copy of the original like you included in your bench. I've heard some pretty negative comments about the original style, but it certainly looks like it takes up less room than my twin screw, which requires 34". Would be nice to get some of that space back to make planing easier and more comfortable.
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11th April 2013, 05:22 PM #142Skwair2rownd
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11th April 2013, 05:27 PM #143
O'course the lower the screw is, the further you have to bend to grab the handle or wheel.
Not a biggie, but just sayin'.
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11th April 2013, 09:13 PM #144
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11th April 2013, 09:23 PM #145
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12th April 2013, 01:58 AM #146
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12th April 2013, 03:53 AM #147
The vice on a vice part of this wouldn't solve the racking issue in itself ... it is all the same to the guide bars .. BUT ...
what I liked about your idea/plan is that you could grip an appropriately sized chunk of wood in the vice proper, then use the 'vice on a vice' just like an original-style shoulder vice ... and then reset it all back afterwards.
Cheers,
Paul
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12th April 2013, 08:26 AM #148
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12th April 2013, 09:29 AM #149
Actually a possible problem with that 'train of thought' of fencies bench drawing is the operation outside the bars
I asked Len about dogs and he suggested in line with the bars (screws) or inside them so outside might not be a good idearegards
Nick
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12th April 2013, 07:13 PM #150
I'm glad all this choice wasn't around when I built my first bench. I went with Tage Frid's trad euro bench, the holding/ clamping system is very flexible. One of the unsung good features of this design is the base.
The legs (75mm x 50mm ) are morticed top and bottom into cross pieces (75mm X 50mm ) that sit on the floor and the bench underside. My legs are angled, making very strong, lightweight ends that are easy to level and shift around the workshop as needed.
Next and most important, the rail ( 180mm / 200mm x 35mm ) is half way up the leg. This makes a structure very hard to wrack. Most benches I see have a very small
( comparatively ) rail very close to the floor. This structure is a large, unbraced rectangle prone to wracking. The only disadvantage, my deadman clamps in the tailvice
and is always a fixed distance from the face vice ( 900mm ).
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f213/new-bench-149535/Cheers, Bill
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