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    I'm pleased to say progress is being made once again. The exterior cladding is being installed.

    Being a steel frame I have to install a thermal break on all the metal components before the cladding can be installed, as this is going to convert to a self contained place at a later date. Mind you I must not have explained myself to the carpenters well enough as they are only putting the thermal break on the studs and not the noggings, dammit. Then again I just counted the remaining studs to have the thermal break installed and there would not have been enough to do the noggings . Like how bloody hard is it to count the studs and do a lineal meter for the nogging etc, the supplier a major one here did the full take off and supply of the materials and its been more hassles than its worth. Another trip to the supplier on Tuesday. Of course the fun is starting I have started sending stuff back as they send well in excess of what I required and the roof sheeting was short by 150 mm. I getting a credit for the returned sheets however they only credited 19 sheets not the 23 they sent out as per there documentation. I said I've paid for 23 and I expect a credit for 23, not only that looks like they are hitting me with a restocking fee. I accept that if it was my fault but not when they sent way in excess of what the job required, like 5 boxes of roofing screws and I only needed two. Of course the final insult, I'm expecting a credit back from the amount of stuff I've sent back and they invoice me for an extra $1100 dollars to finalise the account.

    Ho hum deep breath looks like i'll have to chill the beers and put a BBQ on and invite the family around and slide in the thermal breaks in over the noggings etc after the cladding is installed. It not a hard job, just another one I could do without.

    Anyway at least they are here and I hold them till there part is fully complete, will not be accepting any away time now.

    Figure its time to pack the ute up and go do some 4x4 driving this afternoon with the daughters and friends.

    I would post some photos however there seems to be a glitch with my phone and sending photos, once sorted will upload a couple of shots.

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    The shed is really starting to look like a shed and am now getting more excited. Seemed to be transformed with a door and window in place and almost three sides cladded. I can finally see the shed will be abled to be locked up. Carpenters will return Monday, well that's what they said earlier today, they don't seem to stop for public holidays. Of course they will have to alter there plans slightly as we discussed this morning, the supplier has not sent enough thermal break strips to continue with the walls, in fact they have missed a whole wall, plus some. A quick count and I figure there is 20 strips just for the studs then there is the noggings and bracing strips. So all up I'm guessing I will need another 35 - 40 strips. I will count tomorrow and hope the supplier holds them in stock and is not required to be being ordered. Will be on the doorstep of the supplier first up Tuesday and hoping for a positive visit and outcome. Had a bit of a chuckle this morning and counted the number of soffit sheets just to be sure I had enough I did not want to be short here. No problem here I need 17 x 2400 x 900 they sent 31, so 14 will have to be returned.

    On a more positive side, I can now commence work on the inside, including a full clean out so I can start afresh, and of course have a clean work area. I will also place an order for the internal linings and insulation so this can be set in motion. I will do the ordering from now on, just to ensure there is no hold ups. I will also start setting out for benches and tool locations which will be interesting as I'm still not sure how best to lay out the workshop. You would think tool placement would be the easy part, however I'm finding this as much a challenge as deciding the internal cladding material.

    I have a plan which I feel will work, so drawing it out on the shed floor will give some perspective and hopefully help make my decision. I'm also looking at two new tools a bandsaw and sliding table saw, the sliding table saw will need careful consideration as it will have the biggest footprint and I feel set the tone for the rest of the workshop.

    Thermal Break.jpg Hardiplank.jpgHardiplank corner.jpg

    Photo 1 - Thermal break in place just need the noggings done.
    Photo 2 - Hardiplank in place on one of the end walls.
    Photo 3 - Corner showing building wrap and metal corner behind the cladding. Not sure why the photo has come out this way, is up the correct way in my photo album.
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    No wonder houses cost 10 times more than they should. Imagine this kind of trauma over a big build.

    It almost criminal.

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    Looking good , looks about the same size as mine , I started planning where what would go where but once I had everything in things started to sort themselves out , I was going to build a big work bench but I soon realized how much space they consume and ended up with a fold out bench . I had a big hardwood entry door (solid) and some big stainless hinges so I made some sturdy legs that fold out when the table is raised , it is suprisingly solid . I put the table saw , bandsaw, thicknesser and welder on wheels with brakes so you can have what you are using front and center and then stow it when finished . Works for me . I thought a double power point every 2 meters would be plenty but if I did it again I would do them every 1500mm apart from that I am happy , of course we would all like our shed twice the size eh , anyway once you are in you will have ag ball, cheers

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    I'm pleased to say the suppliers had the thermal breaks in stock so I relieved them of 37 which should everything to be done. I also chatted with the manager who I have been dealing with from the inception and he has a full understanding why I'm not happy and the issues it has caused. lol I was proud of myself, must have got out on bed the right side as I explained my frustration in a very calm manner. I also advised I have excess sheets plus other stuff to be returned, he said he would come out and go through everything.

    You will understand I opted to order the flashing myself, and I did that today. So a trip in the morning and all my flashing will be onsite. So, unless Murphy jumps out of the bushes and hits me with, "sucks to be you" dust I can see my shed at a lockup stage by end of next week, if I can get the carpenters ASAP.

    Woodpixel

    I thought it was a smart option to go through one supplier doing the take off and suppling everything. Suffice to say in hindsight that was a MAJOR error and I will not do again. I have always done my own in the past. I will get there in the end but its costing me lots of stress beers LOL.

    Rod

    Most of my stuff is already on wheels, its my drop say and bench that will take up some room, however I'm trying to work out how big I need my feed tables that what is really causing me issues, The rest will fall into place.

    Anyway there are some find times coming up as I will be running the electrical system as soon as I draw the tools in place and see how that goes before I lock it all in place. I have somethings set in place like the air cons, lights, fans, dusty and the pool pump so I can run the wiring to them. At least that's a start.


    More photos soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian45 View Post
    ... but its costing me lots of stress beers LOL.
    The worst kind of beer. You need SO MANY to overcome it!

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    Well I have purchased the thermal break, and I can say it was a relief they were in stock and not requiring to be ordered. I also have all the flashings for the roof, included the coloured screws, so there should be nothing to stop the job from completing now. I have spoken with the carpenter and they will be here Monday. Initially he only intended to come for two days and return the following week to finish. Once the discussion finished he agreed to stay till the job was totally finished, which should be 3 days.

    I said this stop start approach is not good for your business, even though there has been reasons outside both our doing. I said if you stay and just complete the job till its finished I can pay and we both can move on.

    Anyway I am hopeful my job will finish next week. phewwwww.

    I was hoping to have the wiring in place, however a urgent trip to Brisbane was not in my plans and having only just returned I still have this to do. I will say on my return I had a good look in the shed and felt somewhat disgusted in the mess. I must have been looking but not seeing the mess however its in my face now. There is bits and pieces all over the place, carpenters and my dog have not helped. I like to keep my work sites clean so before I do anything I will clean the shed up.

    Oppps I will load some photos up later as I have to rush off.

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    He is some more photo's. Time for a clean up day and a bit of organisation.

    IMG_3193.jpgSarking in place. IMG_3197.jpg Now starting to look a bit more like a shed. IMG_3201.jpg Battens in place and cable trays are just sitting on top of the bottom cord of the trusses. The trays will be set in place once I start running the wiring.


    IMG_3200.jpg As I indicated in my previous post, its a mess, so a good clean up and a bit of organisation is required. I am trying so hard not to start putting tools etc in the shed as it will become a pain when I'm ready to start sheeting.

    I have been thinking of installing copper piping as a main compressor line. Its easy to run now and if I have one main line I can split into two so I have two outlets available inside the shed. If I use copper pipe would a half inch line be sufficient or better to increase to 3/4.

    Bloody wife tossed a curve ball in the other day and said I should sheet the inside in V J Panelling Need to sheeting inside ASAP with plasterboard, wife starting to have opinion on the insides of the shed lol.

    I'm looking forward to next week, I can feel the end is near after twelve months in the making. Mind you this is only to get it to lock up, I still have a way to go to complete. At least the finishing is in my court and a couple of contractors. Electrician, Plaster and air con installer.

    Now we are almost in the dry I can start my BBQ extension as it needs to be fully completed before October before the wet season. Also this is part of the certification with the shed so it has to be completed as well before everything is signed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian45 View Post
    Bloody wife tossed a curve ball in the other day and said I should sheet the inside in V J Panelling Need to sheeting inside ASAP with plasterboard, wife starting to have opinion on the insides of the shed lol.
    I got talked into lining my shed (much smaller than yours) with 12mm MDF and I'm not regretting it. I wanted plasterboard because it's just so easy and cheap but MDF ended up being even easier, it absorbs a lot of noise, super easy to paint if you want (I didn't) and convenient in the sense that I can screw directly on it and easily holds light shelves and tool holders even if there is no stud behind it.

    All I did for installation was round over the edges of the sheets a little bit with a trim router, made sure they fall on the studs and air nailed them, that was it. Plasterboard is PITB by comparison, not sure about JV Panelling... is that tongue and groove? Sounds easy enough, but what if you need to go higher than the length of the boards?

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    JV Panelling... is that tongue and groove? Sounds easy enough, but what if you need to go higher than the length of the boards?

    Yes it is the same and Its easy to install, two reasons I opted not to go with the VJ / tongue and Grove, 1. its MDF which is not great in Darwin with the humidity, 2. only comes in two lengths 2.4 and 3.6 m and my ceiling height is 2.7.

    VJ came in at $1500 and only came in 9 mm, to thin for my liking. Plaster / villa board all up installed and finished is $2000. To save here I could install myself. Not sure what 12mm MDF would be however I would still have the humidly issue.


    I have tossed this about a lot before finally deciding on plasterboard, as to hanging things if need be I will install French cleats or place a sheet of ply over the plasterboard.

    I may regret my decision later although I feel I will manage, if not I will crack open up a stress beer and dial up the footy .


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    Good stuff Brian45 , starting to come together now .

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    Yes Brian....i like what you doing!!

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    Thanks Brian.
    Did you also price up 12mm ply?

    (Also - isn't most VJ board made with MDF these days anyway?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
    I got talked into lining my shed (much smaller than yours) with 12mm MDF and I'm not regretting it. I wanted plasterboard because it's just so easy and cheap but MDF ended up being even easier, it absorbs a lot of noise, super easy to paint if you want (I didn't) and convenient in the sense that I can screw directly on it and easily holds light shelves and tool holders even if there is no stud behind it.
    Minor technical point, since MDF is denser than regular Plasterboard by about 30% the same thickness MDF sheet technically reflects more sound back into shed a better than plasterboard. This is better for the the neighbours but worse for the shed user. To absorb sound inside a shed there has to either be a stack of exposed soft material like foam, sawdust, cardboard of carpet (ie fire hazards), or scatterers like cupboards, tool and timber racks. Surprisingly even humble corrugated sheet metal works as a scatterer provided it is well supported underneath.

    I reckon it comes down to what you plan to use the shed walls for. If its a small shed where walls tend to be covered with cupboards, racks and shelves that cannot all be hung from lightweight lining then pretty much anything can be used for lining. If its a large open shed with exposed walls then some extra though may be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    ...sheet technically reflects more sound back into shed ...
    Personally, I think this makes it imperative that you buy lots of tools, make cupboards and so on, to cover the walls with. Shame that, but I think it just can't be helped, since it is a health issue.

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