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25th April 2018, 11:14 AM #61Senior Member
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A bit of an update.
I like the idea of more tools, mentioned above.
Well things have improved out of sight. A chat with the builder to just come and stay till its finished as he was wanting to run it over a couple of weeks. Pleased my point of view won the discussion.
The result now is my shed is able to be locked up with all the windows, sliding door, external cladding, soffits and roof flashing all completed.
I will say, I found the way they fixed the hardiplank in place a little odd, they fixed a screw in the top of the board, basically the screw is concealed when the next sheet overlaps, Looks good. I spoke with the builder about this and he said that how they always do it. So I grabbed the bottom of the board and pulled it out, I said, I think you have this confused with the board that has the lip on the back of the sheet, which is fix the way you have. I said, all the hardiplank I have ever installed I have only ever fixed on the overlapping board just above the other board. So another 1000 screws which I helped install. The sheets are fixed really well.
I could rant on, but, I'm going to leave it there and put the past where it belongs and my energy in moving forward.
Its been a mammoth task, just get to this stage with a little over 12 mths. Bloody disgraceful to be honest and I have learnt some lessons on the way, doing anything in the NT is just going to take longer and many tradesman and others in the building industry are simple lazy, unreliable or just complacent and this is not just me saying this, it seems majority of people I speak too say the some thing. People just accept it as the norm. Let alone how much they charge.
Stage 2.
I have started to clean the shed out and its looking better already. The best part is I'm feeling like I am achieving something, and I am in control of the timeline.
First tool I need to get and I know this is not that exciting as a tool purchase, I'd rather a bandsaw, sliding table saw or joiner etc, they will have to wait and get in line , I need a shop vacuum now.
I have also decided to put a couple of tables in the shed so I can move some hand tools, building material, equipment and other smaller stuff currently taking up residence in the house, office and back patio. This is an inconvenience doing this, however it will please the wife no end. So I'll accept the hit on this one . I'll leave space around the walls so I can still run the power without to much of an issue. I feel if my stuff is on tables I can lift the tables outside so we are able to sheet without to much of an issue.
Looking forward to this stage as I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I would post photo's but it will not allow me for some reason, will post photos later.
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25th April 2018, 11:29 AM #62Senior Member
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I can post some photos now.
IMG_3319.jpgStart of the clean IMG_3321.jpg I had to improvise how I did my corners, its not finished needs a flashing over the top. IMG_3322.jpg As you can see the screws are now where I believe they should be. A lot of extra work, but done.
IMG_3316.jpg Window, cladding and soffits all completed.
Pleased how it has come up, while there is still a lot of work its on my timeline now as I mentioned in my last post. Anyway I need to get to working around my shed .
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11th June 2018, 01:08 PM #63Senior Member
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Hi,
Currenly running the electrical cables and I have a Q.
Q. Can i run the wire for the automatic sprinkler system with the electrical cables or do I need to run it seperate.
Damn lot of wires to run, Phew.
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11th June 2018, 01:51 PM #64GOLD MEMBER
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This depends what it is (DC or AC) and what you mean by "with".
The short answer is that it doesn't matter.
The long answer it a bit too long but here goes....
If I assume that your automatic sprinkler system is a low voltage DC circuit then it would obviously be a separate set of wires. These wires can run alongside the AC wires. Particularly since you are just running a sprinkler timer from it. That said, it is best practice to avoid running low voltage DC wires for sound/video and sensitive electronics along side AC wires because the DC wires act like an aerial and this could possibly send electrical noise down the DC wires to the electronic devices at the end. This is arguably less of an issue that it used to be because of the switch to mostly digital over analog electronics and the better noise dampening circuits in the devices. However this is debatable depending on what is connected to the DC wires, given low mass produced quality and higher speed frequency of basically everything electronic. For example your sprinkler timer is most likely a simple 555 integrated circuit with a crystal in it. Hypothetically this can be confused by electrical noise but in practice it probably won't matter. If your wires were going to power a speaker then it would definitely be better to avoid running alongside AC wires.
If I assume you mean that there is a seperate AC circuit to your sprinkler controller then it is not required. The sprinkler controller will draw considerably less than a single amp. It can just plug into another circuit.
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12th June 2018, 10:40 AM #65Senior Member
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Hi,
Thanks for the response. The wire I am running is from the timer / control box to the sprinkler solenoids. The power from the timer / control box will plug into a double external 15 amp power point. This 15 amp PP is for welding, which will be rarely used, it a just an in case PP so to speck.
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Its no issue to run it in a separate run just need to drill more holes lol
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12th June 2018, 11:36 PM #66GOLD MEMBER
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13th June 2018, 09:38 AM #67Senior Member
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Thanks, I just checked and the wire from the controller to the solenoids can be up to 100 m. I'm safe as only 12 metres.
Running the electrical cables, what a task this is. Just realised I have 1 more 15 amp to go external and I have none planned for the inside. Best I sort that out and put a couple in.
I have planned for compressor to set up outside, therefore I will need to runa compressor line inside the shed.Has anyone done this and if so any pro's and con's, how did you do it and what material did you use. Any photo's ?
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13th June 2018, 10:06 AM #68.
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My compressor is located outside my shed with the switch gear located inside ether shed.
We have a small block and the neighbours pool is just over the back fence so I had to make a sound reducing enclosure.
The box is made from 32 mm thick tassie oak lab bench top (cut up to 1.2m lengths and chucked into a skip at work) and then clad in Colorbond and lined with 2" thick mattress foam
The picture shows it with my 40: 2.5HP Bunnings cheapie compressor but it now houses a 4HP twin V, 70L Clisby compressor.
The box cannot be completely sealed because it needs cooling air - I left a few gaps and added a 240V fan that sucks hot air out fo the top of the box and draws cool air in down under teh doors. The fan was rigged to run when the compressor runs but now has a fancy delayed off circuit - not sure if it makes much of a difference.
Box.jpg Complete.jpg COmplete2.jpg Fan.jpg
Air is reticulate via 1/2" galv pipe to 7 points inside the shed - its one of the best things I did in my shed. If I was to do it again I would use Plastic pressure pipe and Philmac fittings - it would have cost me a lot more because I already had most of the galv fittings but it would have been MUCH easier to install and no rusty water in the pipes. We installed a plastic system at the mens shed and it was dead easy and works a treat.
Initially I had the 15A powerpoint outside the shed but have since moved it back inside the shed where I rigged up a box of unecessarily complicated eletronikery
I was also running the compressor from a 5HP VFD, but the compressor motor died and I replaced it with a SP motor so could the use the VFD for something else.
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The white box with the timer on the right is the delayed fan off circuit.
I leave my compressor on all the time but the timer on the LHS makes sure the compressor does not recharged between 6pm and 8am.
The V/I panel meter allows me to see how much current the motor is pulling while charging
As well all all this I have a compressor tank pressure gauge inside the shed and temperature display with a probe probe that monitors the enclosure temperature.
I also added an auto vent valve to the tank that opens teh tank for 0.5s every 45 minutes so 240V is provided to that valve attached to the bottom of the tank.
You can probably tell I like futzing around with all this sort of stuff.
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13th June 2018, 06:37 PM #69New Member
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Hi Brian45,
I have joined the conversation pretty late into your progress. All I can say is, Wow!! Nice work so far. I converted a double garage into my workshop and to get extra light, I replaced a couple of the corrugated sheets with alsynite sheets. This lets enough light in to see what you are doing and I only turn on the lights whilst working on machinery. I have also installed a sliding glass door at the rear and this allows me to see through to my garden. That leaves all of the walls for storage space in the form of shadow boards, cupboards and shelves. The layout of my machinery was done by drawing a plan of the shed and making patterns of the major machinery and spacing them out to the best affect. My smaller machinery I didn't worry about as I knew they would live on mobile platforms so I could move them around. This has been a Godsend as I can move them out of the way and only move them into place when I need to use them.
Good Luck with the rest of your project mate.
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13th June 2018, 08:26 PM #70SENIOR MEMBER
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Brian......your shed is looking good. I like what you have done I am also doing the electrical atm....my irrigation controller is mounted inside the shed, however the way my cabling run's the low voltage and power don't run together. I do use flexible conduit on all my cabling...
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13th June 2018, 10:47 PM #71Senior Member
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Hi Bohl, love your work. I was not planning on anything that sophisticated . I can understand the ventilation part and I was thinking two exhaust fans -- one drawing in and one drawing out if that make sense.
My compressor was being encased in insulated panel including the roof, if the wife lets me .
Of course, I will have to make the enclosure look the goods as the other half will have a say in the final external looks. Hence why I'm not that keen to discard the left over hardiplank as I have a feeling it will be built to match the shed lol. More work just what I'm looking for.Last edited by Brian45; 13th June 2018 at 10:51 PM. Reason: Missed details
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13th June 2018, 11:10 PM #72Senior Member
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Thanks, before anything is sheeted I will speak with the sparkie just to ensure all is good.
As for cabling I'm trying to think of everything, if that happens will be a first lol. Should have had an electrical plan not a on the run plan. I will get there.
A lot to consider and if I had the time and space I would do thinks a little different, bring on the lottery win.
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13th June 2018, 11:11 PM #73.
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In this situation these shouldn't be envy restriction to the cooling air flow so if you want more cooling its better to have fans in parallel ie both blowing in or both blowing out. In an unrestricted situation fans is series only move the same amount of air as any one fan.
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1st July 2018, 11:36 AM #74Senior Member
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been awhile since my last update. As it turns have not had a lot of chance to get into to it in earnest. with camp trip to WA, family and host of other commitment thing have moved a tad slower than I hoped. Slow seems to be the way of this shed so keeping up the standard lol.
Bohl, I have had a change of plans where my compressor is being placed. Initially it was on the outside near the dust extraction system. As I said in a much earlier post I'm building a lean too at the back of this shed (connected) which is housing the pool pump and air conditioner, so figured why not put the compressor there as well. You will see the pool pump in a photo. This small extension will be about 4 m x 2.4 m and 2.4 high. It has to be removeable as its over an easement. I'm only storing cement mixers, wheel barrows ladders and general garden tool. Basically anything I don't want in my shed. This minor extension will have a roof and walls, so no issue with ventilation. Just need to relocation an electrical cable. Every cable is marked and you can see on the wall I have ID which circuit covers what PP, if nothing else helped me out. I will do an electrical plan on paper an scan into computer. I may even laminated copy and leave in the switch board.
I had the sparkie around yesterday and he is very happy with what I have done, I just need to do a couple of minor fixes which I knew about and run a twin cable from my lights and fans back to switches at the door. so a busy morning. He said he would come back later today and if everything is good I can sheet inside .
Shed wiring 1.jpgShed wiring 2.jpgShed wiring 3.jpgShed wiring.jpg
I also had a fun few hours grubbing a couple of stumps out. I wanted to keep both these trees and back at the commencement they could have been taken out with machinery. During construction I had to cut a branch out of one tree which made the tree look really bad so opted to remove the tree. Cyclone Marcus fixed the second one, so it removed. I left the two stumps, figured they would be fine, as it turns out I have to move the pool pipes so the stumps had to go. Not that they were big stumps but boy did they cling on, like Alabama ticks, both put up a good show. In the end no match for my gurnie, chainsaw, reciprocating saw, swearing and lots of sweat. The area is now clear so I can move on with relocating the pool pipes. These need to be moved before I have to install my concrete around the perimeter of the shed for the part B termite protection.
IMG_0238.jpg IMG_0229.jpgIMG_0228.jpg The stumps do not look that intimidating now, on the back of the trailer. Oh and the dog was next to useless in helping.
Anyway best get back to wiring, another update soon.
Brian
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1st July 2018, 10:12 PM #75GOLD MEMBER
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Clearly the dog was instrumental. All that canine supervision was what led to the successful outcome.
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