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    This has certainly been a major effort. Well done on creating a space where most people would have thought it was impossible. Looking forward to seeing many projects made.

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    Is that firecheck you have used, bit hard to tell but the color in the photo looks a bit like it
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    Yep. Well, actually it's FireStop, which is the Boral equivalent. Sound proofing is basically all about the weight of the material, and kg/$, FireCheck is cheaper than SoundCheck. I used one layer of 13mm firecheck. It's heavy stuff! Not quite as heavy as proper soundcheck, but not far off. I figure that a bit of fireproofing in a workshop area is probably not a bad thing either. Hopefully I'll never need it.
    Good things come to those who wait, and sail right past those who don't reach out and grab them.

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    Keep a BCF / dry powder fire extinguisher in there too especially as your escape route is into the house
    The person who never made a mistake never made anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Keep a BCF / dry powder fire extinguisher in there too especially as your escape route is into the house
    Yes, good suggestion. I have one in the garage, immediately outside the cave. I will consider getting another one for inside the cave.
    Good things come to those who wait, and sail right past those who don't reach out and grab them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Keep a BCF / dry powder fire extinguisher in there too especially as your escape route is into the house
    BCF as in the fishing store, or BCF as in halon extinguishers? The latter have been banned since 1995, if you still have one you need to hand it in to your local fire station. An ABE dry chemical extinguisher is the best option as it is suitable for most domestic fires including electrical.

    More important though is that there is a requirement for a smoke detector on every level of a home, and as this is a basement it must have one. It's advisable to use hard wired, interconnected smoke alarms, because as you say the escape route is into the house above. It doesn't take much of a fire to quickly overwhelm you with smoke in such a confined space.

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    Thanks for the heads up on the BCF dry powder, wasn't aware that it had been banned.
    Good reminder about the smoke alarm
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Thanks for the heads up on the BCF dry powder, wasn't aware that it had been banned.
    Good reminder about the smoke alarm
    If the BCF is a dry powder I don't think its banned, its the Halon BCF ones that are illegal to own and use without a permit.

    If B= flammable liquids, C=flammable gases and and F=fats (kitchen) and its a powder it should be OK

    However, be aware that it does not cover A class fires (wood and paper) so you should at least have one that covered these sort of fires.

    I have 2 ABE Powder and a CO2 in my shed.
    ABE Dry powder are very effective but many folks don't realise the powder goes everywhere inside the room it is released in and easily gets inside machinery as well. The fine powder typically contain a phosphate which absorbs water from the air over time forming phosphoric acid. This can for example ruin every electrical circuit board it comes into contact with, even if it was nowhere near the fire or the direction the extinguisher was aimed at. With 11 VFDs in my shed, that is why I also have a CO2 extinguisher although it only works on liquids and electrical.

    Back in 2008 a security guard took a full sized ABE from the corridor (instead of the CO2 extinguisher in the lab) and discharged it onto a small (soccer ball size) electrical fire in a lab at work and did millions of $ worth of damage to the other electronic gear in the same lab and it took two years to sort out legal and insurance.

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    The way the "workshop" is looking, I'd be happy to live in there
    Beautiful work for an otherwise unusable area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    If the BCF is a dry powder I don't think its banned, its the Halon BCF ones that are illegal to own and use without a permit.

    If B= flammable liquids, C=flammable gases and and F=fats (kitchen) and its a powder it should be OK

    However, be aware that it does not cover A class fires (wood and paper) so you should at least have one that covered these sort of fires.
    I have never seen a dry powder extinguisher that suits B, C and F fires. Wet chemical are used for F, and there are specialist category C extinguishers which are not on general sale. The only BCF I've seen have been Halon which is a vaporising liquid, and the BCF comes from the chemical content, they're actually an AB extinguisher. There aren't any BCF dry chem extinguishers available afaik, so it's a moot point.

    The dry powder is typically monoammonium phosphate and ammonium sulphate aka fertiliser. Yes it is corrosive when wet. But it does wonders for your lawn if well watered in. It may actually be better to use fire blankets rather than extinguishers if you are concerned about damage to sensitive electrical equipment. Mostly used for kitchen fat fires, but can also be used on A and B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Back in 2008 a security guard took a full sized ABE from the corridor (instead of the CO2 extinguisher in the lab) and discharged it onto a small (soccer ball size) electrical fire in a lab at work and did millions of $ worth of damage to the other electronic gear in the same lab and it took two years to sort out legal and insurance.
    look on the bright side.

    at least the person took the initiative and attempted to extinguish the fire.
    "normal" would have been to
    1. activate the fire alarm
    2. check that everyone had evacuated
    3. ring 0-0-0
    4. stand outside and watch the "fun" till the fire brigade packed up and left.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I have 2 ABE Powder and a CO2 in my shed.
    I'm not sure that CO2 should be recommended for use in a confined space like Surfdabbler's "cave". It would be all too easy to kill yourself extinguishing a fire, or in the immediate aftermath.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Just checked my extinguisher, it's a BE powder type (it was our old kitchen extinguisher). I'll look into an ABE instead. Good to know about the invasiveness of the powder too. Will get a fire blanket for the kitchen.

    And yes, I have the smoke alarm installed already. Good to know everyone is looking after me.
    Good things come to those who wait, and sail right past those who don't reach out and grab them.

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    While we are looking after you, it's worth a reminder to invert dry chemical extinguishers for 10 minutes every 6 months. In a commercial environment you have to obtain an annual fire safety statement and many certifiers will do it as part of the inspection, but homeowners tend to forget.

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    Another thing to be aware of with dry powder extinguishers is it can effect your breathing, but then again so does smoke.

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