Thread: Fletty's new shed WIP ....or is it a retrospective??

Originally Posted by fletty

I believe that a software ‘update’ on our iPhones has a glitch that prevents an accurate transfer to a third party of rectangular portrait picture files WITHOUT SOME FORM OF EXTERNAL MANIPULATION!

Nah, it never used to happen until a year or so ago, and now it happens whether you use a phone or camera. There is something weird about the current forum software, no question about it. Far too uniform to be anything else.

So the button to the right (and maybe cropped?) workaround should save several chiropractic bills, and camera pics need to go into PS or similar to make sure the canvas is the right way around. I thought I had it licked by saving in P&F viewer, but sadly not to be.

This is the link I sent to Alan Why your photos show up sideways on SMC

And a bit of light reading https://www.google.com.au/search?cli...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Originally Posted by Chris Parks

This is the link I sent to Alan Why your photos show up sideways on SMC

From post #3 in that thread:
"This is a known design issue with SMC's VBulletin software. The developers acknowledge that they ignore the metadata (see this post) telling them how to rotate the photo, and as of 2015 they don't see it as very important. They don't consider its a bug, it is 'working as designed' which is IMO stupid."

I think vBulletin need George Brandis on their team....he does NOT ignore metadata.

How do you access the forum? Browser, tapatalk or something else?

If you use tapatalk I dont believe you will have an issue from your phone.

DaveTTC
The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood Into Art

Does this mean it’s not ME?

Originally Posted by fletty

Does this mean it’s not ME?

That's right - it applies to everyone. There are two reasons why you might be getting pinged (by us) more than anyone else - you have been posting more vertical pain-in-the-bloody-neck pics than anyone else and/or others have already heeded the recommended fixes via Photoshop (or whatever).


I suspect that vBulletin must have previously taken note of the metadata and, for reasons best known to themselves, decided not to with the current release - I certainly had no problems whatsoever previously. All I had to do was rotate the pic in P&F Viewer WITHOUT SAVING, and it was all good. Presumably the metadata gets updated immediately upon rotation.

Furthermore, this problem may have arisen at the same time as the whole pictures-gone-permanently-AWOL fiasco. If it's been since 2015 then that may well be the case (can't remember the timings properly).

Good investigation / discussion. Thanks everyone.

My supposition is that hidden somewhere within the standard for the meta data attached to a digital image is an assumption (for want of a better term) that a "standard normal" photo is captured by a right handed photographer -- i.e. the shutter button is on the right -- and is LANDSCAPE orientation. (Back when cameras used film and came with instructions, this is how people were instructed to hold a camera.) There is probably a similar assumption regarding images captured in PORTRAIT orientation, with the added "complication" that such images can be tagged with an auto rotate command customised for the screen on the device capturing the image. It is quite possible that the meta data captured and attached to a digital image is intended to be referenced to this "standard" hold and orientation -- so a square photo is, in meta data terms, a cropped landscape image.
I can only guess what additional meta data is attached to images captured on iThingy and Android devices -- meta data that is quite probably intended to be only interpreted by software specific to the device. It's only when an image is processed through "real" photo processing software -- like photoshop -- that the meta data is reset to that for a "standard normal" image. Based on other's experience, it is quite possible that "pretend" photo editors / viewers don't reset the meta data when saving an image file.

thanks again to those who have done the experimentation.

OK, summary from yesterday’s INTENSE scientific investigation;

• SMC’s VBulletin software, which is the native host for our beloved forum, has a glitch, which they do not regard as a bug, and this glitch results in inconsistent rotation of pictures when posted to the forum
• The following techniques when using an iPhone to take a picture and then posting it to the forum on iPhone or iPad, will result in correctly oriented and formatted pictures in the forum....
• FOR SQUARE FORMAT PICTURES, take the picture with the camera held so that the ‘shutter button’ is to the right of the screen and post without further manipulation.
• FOR RECTANGULAR LANDSCAPE FORMAT PICTURES, take the picture with the camera held so that the ‘shutter button’ is to the right of the screen and post without further manipulation.
• FOR RECTANGULAR PORTRAIT FORMAT PICTURES, take the picture with the camera held so that the ‘shutter button’ is below the screen, select the picture that you wish to post to the forum, click ‘EDIT’, rotate the image 360deg, click ‘DONE’, and then post normally
• CAUTION, note that all pictures in the iPhone’s photo file will appear in the ‘correct’ orientation regardless of the cameras orientation when taking the photo so you cannot tell just from the photo file IF the pictures were taken as above! It appears however, that any picture can be successfully posted to the forum regardless of the camera’s orientation when taking the picture, if it is opened in the iPhone and edited with a 360deg rotation.

Now, would anyone like to check the above for Androids.

fletty

Originally Posted by fletty

• FOR RECTANGULAR PORTRAIT FORMAT PICTURES, take the picture with the camera held so that the ‘shutter button’ is below the screen, select the picture that you wish to post to the forum, click ‘EDIT’, rotate the image 360deg, click ‘DONE’, and then post normally

• Have you tested this?

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Have you tested this?[/LIST]

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Yup!

BUT, I have just noticed that sometimes, when you have clicked EDIT and CROP/ROTATE, and rotate 90 degrees 4 times, the DONE button doesn’t illuminate? So, you may have to do 2 x 90 degrees and DONE and 2 x 90 degrees and DONE again. The magic onlyhappens when you successfully click DONE?

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Have you tested this?[/LIST]

I have also - Post #885

If anyone had asked me if I had done much woodwork lately, I would have pointed at the cast on my right hand and said forlornly “not much”.......... even though I have occasionally removed the cast to do a bit of work to help someone out. This frustrating state will continue until December 11 at which time I will be back into full production ....or Shed parties, whichever comes first.
So, to prepare for that day I’ve been doing some shed cleaning but I noticed that the DC was well down on performance even for normal cleaning tasks, so you can imagine my surprise when I opened up the DC closet to find.....

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.....arghh!

.......and

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...... aarrgghhhhh!

I stood back and smiled at the sign.....

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........as I entered the inner sanctum and started the clean up, a woodworkers equivalent to an electricity network’s BLACK START? The chips were actually up into the pleated filters so I knew that, as soon as I removed the bags, there would be a major and unavoidable spill onto the floor. I noticed before then just how clean the closet was so I took great pride in my workmanship that, even with this neglect, there were no leaks out of the DC ....... and then buried that pride under an avalanche of ARC and sapele chips and dust. I emptied the bags, refitted them, turned the DC on and cleaned the DC closet, rotated the pleated filter cleaner, removed the bags, emptied them again and refitted. The brain then started planning trips to Jcar and JBHiFi to build optical scanners and alarms but that annoying little voice in the PRACTICAL part of the brain kept muttering ....... “ just open the bl**dy door and LOOK”!
i smiled again at the sign as I closed the door......

fletty

Two things Alan.
Maybe a clear pane of glass or similar to crest a peep hole view of the filling dust bag.
The next is a little out there; trunk the collection bag outside the unit, even into a special build wheelie bin??
Cheers Peter

better yet ...

borrow one of Keith's steam engines to periodically pull the chip bin out of the enclosure