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    Hey all,

    The title for my new workshop has been submitted, so hopefully by next month i'll be in my new shed.

    I'm looking at building a Panel & Timber Rack, like this..


    21da05f340409221ea7cbd09676bba23.jpg 31c79f957624d33396458edbc2b412f3.jpg

    I like the Swinging Arm with the caster wheel supports and the timber rack above, i would most likely make it 2500-2700 mm long to ensure that 2440mm sheets fit inside.

    I've been at TAFE getting my welding certs, and i was thinking, why don't i do steel, MIG it and then Hammertone it.

    Im thinking 40x40x 1.6mm or 2.0mm for the timber rack and 40x25x1.6/2.0mm for the panel swing.

    At least three risers to have 90 degree (400mm/450mm) legs to counter balance the weight of the (400mm/450mm) Timber Racks, most likely 500-600mm centres in between risers.

    A heap of Dynabolts into the concrete tilt up panel through the 40x40mm risers and i'm good to go, anyone got any suggestions on 1.6mm or 2.0mm steel thickness?

    So thats my plan, hit me with the flaws or suggestions on material sizing...

    It'll be interesting doing something other than timber.

    Cheers

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    I'm not qualified to give advise on the sizing of the steel for the rack. I will suggest you make the timber rack supports adjustable and if you expect to put a lot of shorts in it then closer spacing too. Also give thought to a section that can hold boards vertically. Easier to sort and handle long heavy lumber rather than try and lift it on to the horizontal when you are alone. Now if you are a young long legged gorilla of a man then horizontal only is fine.

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    Have a look at the Triton steel shelves for wood. They are cheap enough to forgo making your own. But, if you are determined to do so, the design is useful to copy - very compact for the load they carry. I use a couple of sets of these, and they hold up very well.

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Have a look at the Triton steel shelves for wood. They are cheap enough to forgo making your own. But, if you are determined to do so, the design is useful to copy - very compact for the load they carry. I use a couple of sets of these, and they hold up very well.

    Regards from Perth

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    Hi Derek,

    Yeah im looking at basing mine off the Triton steel shelve, that why i looked at using steel. (i believe they are 1.6mm or thinner) i have heard from reviews that the latest triton range sleeves aren't that great, could be due to cheaper production, leading to them being miss aligned.

    My main want for the panel and timber rack is the swing away panel holder, with a few racks for timber.

    Ive only got a small area to store timber and ply. I always have Plywood left over, where if i'm making something out of timber i order in the amount needed.

    If i didn't need the panel swing, i'll go the easier option and throw up the cheap triton shelves after power coating the Orange a different colour.

    It's just that sheet material is a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QC Inspector View Post
    I'm not qualified to give advise on the sizing of the steel for the rack. I will suggest you make the timber rack supports adjustable and if you expect to put a lot of shorts in it then closer spacing too. Also give thought to a section that can hold boards vertically. Easier to sort and handle long heavy lumber rather than try and lift it on to the horizontal when you are alone. Now if you are a young long legged gorilla of a man then horizontal only is fine.

    Pete
    Hi Pete,

    The timber shorts would most likely fit in the front of the swing away panel storage after being trimmed.

    I only order in what i need, to stop being overrun with timber, i like to make stuff, not be a timber storage shed, although that would be the dream.

    In an ideal world i would have my timber standing vertically as well as my sheet material, but as i'm not a young long legged gorilla and have to work around being in a wheelchair due to paraplegia, i have to work with what works for me, its bloody hard, but possible.

    I can drag sheets out onto saw horses, rip them with the Festool plunge saw to a manageable size and the same with the timber, now that i'm a industrial complex ill use my drop saw instead of the chainsaw to dock then dress to what i want.

    If anything is too heavy i plan ahead and get my wife to give me a hand to dock or rip on the weekend, so i can work by myself during the week.

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    I didn't realize you were working from a chair. I had incorrectly assumed since you were a welder that you were younger and not physically challenged. If you have room in front of your rack location you could do the lumber rack on a parallelogram arrangement, lowered and raised with a boat trailer winch, or an electric winch if you preferred. Something like some kitchen cabinets have for the high spots. It would give you and your wife easier access to the top half of the storage.

    https://www.richelieu.com/ca/en/cate...=&nbPerPage=48

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    Hey Pete,

    I've got a DC powered removable Spitz Lift the handles 450kg, that i originally used in my boat

    pickup-opt-1.jpg i have the same spitz lift model.

    That i'm thinking of maybe using that, i've been in this damm thing for over 16 years, there are ways around heavy items, just take a little bit of thought.

    I'm installing a Mezzanine floor as well, (seems like a silly idea, but moving stuff up there out of the way when not needed, increases the room for me on the ground floor) so i might just use the spitz lift on that and and get a 500kg AC powered Kinchrome Hoist for the timber, as i can make up a welded support for concrete mounting easier than the way The Spitz lift mounting works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    Have a look at the Triton steel shelves for wood. They are cheap enough to forgo making your own. But, if you are determined to do so, the design is useful to copy - very compact for the load they carry. I use a couple of sets of these, and they hold up very well.

    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazzler View Post
    X 2.

    They are great.


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    There is a reason i'm not using them. they are cheap and the new ones are even cheaper.

    More importantly, it doesn't work for my needs, as per the discussion within the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryn23 View Post
    Hey all,

    The title for my new workshop has been submitted, so hopefully by next month i'll be in my new shed.

    I'm looking at building a Panel & Timber Rack, like this..


    21da05f340409221ea7cbd09676bba23.jpg 31c79f957624d33396458edbc2b412f3.jpg

    I like the Swinging Arm with the caster wheel supports and the timber rack above, i would most likely make it 2500-2700 mm long to ensure that 2440mm sheets fit inside.

    I've been at TAFE getting my welding certs, and i was thinking, why don't i do steel, MIG it and then Hammertone it.

    Im thinking 40x40x 1.6mm or 2.0mm for the timber rack and 40x25x1.6/2.0mm for the panel swing.


    A heap of Dynabolts into the concrete tilt up panel through the 40x40mm risers and i'm good to go, anyone got any suggestions on 1.6mm or 2.0mm steel thickness?

    So thats my plan, hit me with the flaws or suggestions on material sizing...
    I would think 1.6 would be heaps strong enough, and probably 25x25. It's only timber you are planning on storing.

    2.0 will be easier to weld, if Mig is a brave new weld. But it will be noticeably heavier.

    I have seen a swing out like that before, an elegant solution.

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    Cheers Node105,

    I had a feeling 1.6mm would be strong enough, as the Trition steel appears thinner and it holds plenty, i just don't know the load capacity of steel SHS.

    Your right about the 2.0mm being easier to weld, i was leaning towards this as even if it is a little heavier, the weight shouldn't be an issue if i spec the hinges to the extra weight of the 2.0mm, even then the castor should be taking most of the weight.

    I do plan on MIG welding it.

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