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26th December 2018, 08:54 AM #16
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26th December 2018, 09:33 AM #17
Thanks Justonething
I don't agree with this assertion. The studs will certainly carry a lot of the load, but as the arms will radiate from the studs there must also be substantial torque forces in operation. The question then becomes - How significant is this torque in relation to the 80 year old brick wall??? Probably OK, but I need to be sure, or as close to that as I can be.
Metal piping fitted into stud seems like an inexpensive solution.
...other people have made racks out of 20mm plywood bolted to either side of each stud.
I would also some space to tie your sheets against the studs so they can stack upright to save space.
the span between studs should not be more than 800 to cater for shorter lengths.
Cheers
Graeme
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26th December 2018, 09:39 AM #18
Hi,
I took the easy way out, bought Triton wood racks, works for me.
RegardsHugh
Enough is enough, more than enough is too much.
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26th December 2018, 11:54 AM #19SENIOR MEMBER
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Hi Graeme
Actually I think that I used 40mm tube on the arms. If you want I can check and confirm the sizes and take some better photos this weekend when I am at my shed.
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26th December 2018, 02:55 PM #20
Hi HPF
I would appreciate that. Most of the cyclone wire fences that I can think of have the posts and rails of the same diameter - 50 mm ?
Also, could you check the thickness of the walls in both the arms and posts (if possible). I am trying to build up a "gut feeling" for how much strength I need.
Cheers
Graeme
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26th December 2018, 03:18 PM #21
State of Progress
Good Morning All
First, I would like to again thank every one for the invaluable assistance provided so far. Many ideas that are new to me, and my learning curve has been steep. The present range of options that I am considering are:
POSTS
- angle steel, or
- round galvanised steel fence post, or
- timber stud.
ARMS
- angle steel, or
- round galvanised steel fence post, or
- square RHS steel tube, or
- steel water pipe, or
- timber stud.
FASTENNING of arms to posts
- weld - angle steel,
- bolt - angle steel,
- Insert - pipe or RHS,
- glue and screw - timber.
SHELVES
- yellow tongue split into 2 x 450 mm.
My final choice will depend on:
- a more precise costing of each option, and
- an assessment of my ability to achieve the necessary accuracy with the chose option. This may involve development of jig and/or forms to improve replication of precision.
Cheers
Graeme
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26th December 2018, 03:49 PM #22
Cosmetic Considerations
Hi Every One
Although I have headed this as cosmetic Considerations they do include some consideration of functionality.
STEEL COATING
To prevent rust it will be necessary to coat any steel components. What would be best - KillRust, two-pot epoxy or something else?
PADS ON ARMS
If I decide to go with steel arms - angle steel, square tube or pipe - I am concerned about resting my precious timber on a metal surface, even a painted metal surface. Are my fears unfounded, or should I consider putting pads on top of the arms?
One possibility is to make pads from 450 mm lengths of 90 x 35 pine stud. The drawing shows an insitu representation and a bottom view of a pine pad.
Timber Pads.jpg
With such timber pads, should I leave the timber raw or paint it?
YELLOW TONGUE SHELVES
Yellow tongue is not designed to be used with the edges exposed - vulnerable to damage plus aesthetics. I thought that I could add a timber cover strip.
Yellow Tongue Shelving.jpg
Cheers
Graeme
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26th December 2018, 03:53 PM #23
Hi Hugh
$$$$'s and I like to DIY.
Cheers
Graeme
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27th December 2018, 03:37 PM #24
This seems like a colossal over-engineer?
I saw an old article (a while ago) from Wandel where he load tested some shelves. They could take crazy-weight. This is the article, but I can't find the tests he did: https://woodgears.ca/shelves/
I've some el-cheapo knock down shelves from bunnings and they take 750kg PER shelf....https://www.bunnings.com.au/pinnacle...-unit_p2582967 ... and these take 1000kg: https://www.bunnings.com.au/our-rang...-duty-shelving
plus I see industrial and racking units all the time on Gumtree/Grays. There is a local group here that sells them all the time too: https://www.allbids.com.au/c/industrial-tools-building-supplies/racking-shelving (obviously a bit light on due to the break).
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27th December 2018, 05:11 PM #25SENIOR MEMBER
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I got to my shed sooner than I thought. The arms are 40mm, the wall thickness is around 3mm. They are 400mm long. The tees are T5040. I can't measure the wall thickness of the uprights. I have 2 racks, one has upright spacing of 1000mm and the other 725mm. I don't have shelves which creates issues for shorter lengths of timber, you can end up with a bay with no timber. So if doing it again I would put in some more uprights, nothing to do with load though. No luck loading photos from my phone, I will try later from my pc
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28th December 2018, 12:08 PM #26
Thanks HPF
A piece of MDF or yellow tongue laid over the arms willl create instant shelves for the short bits and other treasures.
Cheers
Graeme
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28th December 2018, 01:20 PM #27SENIOR MEMBER
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Here are the photos which will hopefully help. The yellow tongue might be an idea to retrofit although I am not sure about moving all the timber!
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28th December 2018, 01:29 PM #28
Hi Graeme
although it hurts your feelings, your retired metal fabricator mate is right.
A good weld will hold lots of weight a poor weld almost nothing at all, and telling the difference between the two is more science than art.
Unless you are an experienced welder -- and, let's face it, if you were you wouldn't be asking -- stick with bolting.
and there's nothing wrong with using pinus radiataregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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28th December 2018, 02:02 PM #29
Good Morning WoodPixel
I am a little surprised by your comment, but you have made me think about what I am doing. The whole tenor of this thread has been to discover the appropriate level of engineering required for this project, at the most affordable price. But there are also a couple of constraints that must also be taken into account.
First, the ceiling height is 3 m, say 2.9 m after I redo the floor, and I want to fill the entire wall with fairly close spaced racks and shelves. It is an absolute imperative that we maximise the amout of usable storage space on the racks/shelves.
Second, the wall in question is an 80 year old double brick parapet wall. Thus it is shared with a neighbour and I do not want to upset him or damage his property, and there are legal issues.
I saw an old article (a while ago) from Wandel where he load tested some shelves. They could take crazy-weight. This is the article, but I can't find the tests he did: https://woodgears.ca/shelves/
I've some el-cheapo knock down shelves from bunnings and they take 750kg PER shelf....https://www.bunnings.com.au/pinnacle...-unit_p2582967 ... and these take 1000kg: https://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/storage-cleaning/storage/garage/heavy-duty-shelving.
plus I see industrial and racking units all the time on Gumtree/Grays. There is a local group here that sells them all the time too: https://www.allbids.com.au/c/industrial-tools-building-supplies/racking-shelving (obviously a bit light on due to the break).
Commercially available (new) cantivered systems get very expensive very quickly, as soon as you start adding height. Many/most designed and engineered to withstand an intimate relationship with a forklift. I do not need that reserve strength.
https://unirack.com.au/cantilever-drive-in-racking.html
Our objective is to get a very fuctional racking and shelving system at an affordable price. If it fails - buckles, bends or bearks - then it is not functional. But I certainly do not want to pay for excessive strength.
Fair Winds
Graeme
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28th December 2018, 02:19 PM #30
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