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6th November 2016, 02:23 PM #1New Member
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Old timber post shed restoration advice requested
Hi Woodworkers,
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I hope you will be able to at least steer me in the correct direction, or recommend some tradespeople to seek advice from regarding this major project.
My house was built in March 1911, and I think this shed may pre-date that.
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As you can see the iron is a bit rusty and showing its age, and also the posts. The posts on the northern aspect are more weathered as a result of exposure to the sun, but not so algae covered.
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I the pic below you can see that the roof is sagging in the far corner as a result of very damaged post, and you can see the roof is also sagging in the middle of this pic as a result of one of the posts shifting. The rest of the posts all seem pretty sound, but I don't really know how to properly test their integrity.
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I'd love for this shed to last another 100 years! But I also have a few modifications I would like to do.
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The missing part of wall in this pic was flapping in the breeze due to rotten timber so I had to remove it. The roof along the northern aspect (to the left in the above picture) probably needs to be completely rebuilt. The posts along there are pretty badly weathered, but mostly at the bases, and I feel that they could be "restumped", however I was thinking about replacing the missing wall with a mortared stone wall, and extending that wall around the corner and along the entire northern face. I hope to increase the structural integrity enough so that I can put a large solar panel array on this roof, as it is a perfect location for it, but I have plenty of space for panels so that is not essential.
So a few questions, if you don't mind:
1) Am I crazy?
2) Anyone know of a tradie that would do such work in the Adelaide area? I'd love to get a quote and/or advice from a professional ...
3) Pouring a concrete footing for a reasonably high stone wall up against a buried, fairly ancient wooden post - good idea or bad? I feel like sealing the moisture into the wood with concrete might make it rot faster?
4) How to go about tying said stonework to the post in the corner? Or better to remove post entirely?
4) How to go about lifting posts/supporting roof, while removing rotted timber as needed from the base of posts and splicing in new timber, or stonework?
And possibly a million other questions if I don't end up paying someone to do it for me.
Thanks for your time, in advance.
Regards
Chris
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6th November 2016, 05:42 PM #2
G'Day Chris, I've sent an email to a bloke on the forum to have a look at your project as he may be able to assist....He's a top tradie with a very good rep...Cheers, crowie
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6th November 2016, 06:22 PM #3
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I did grow up in Adelaide but no longer there. Happy to give an opinion. Most of my peers are probably not on the tools anymore but if someone comes to mind I'll let you know. I left in the 90ies
I agree. Pouring concrete around wood is not a brilliant idea. As the wood rots it will become loose in the concrete.
I would remove post or cut it off at the ground / finished floor level and remove what is in the ground. Pour your footing continuous.
If you leave the visible part of the post in you would need to secure brick ties to the post in each direction of the wall to make it a good corner. Retaining the post would only be for aesthetics. Depends what look you like.
Some soils in Adelaide are extremely reactive so good advice on footing sizes should be sought. Up around Golden Grove I have seen house footings as much as 1800mm deep by 450mm wide with all the associated reo
This is one I have considered for an old shed of mine. I had considered removing old post in ground and using a heavy duty stirup set in concrete to hold up the post. Jack it to right height before you cut it as you may not want to have a long stirup leg sticking out of the ground.
Feel free to ask more questions
Thanks to Crowie for giving me heads up on this thread. Rwbuild will be here later toight and may chime in with some other thoughts
Dave TTC
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8th November 2016, 04:18 PM #4
Hi Chris (Widman)
That's a nice old shed and I can see why you might want to keep it. BUT if you're looking to put solar panels on the roof, you may need to contemplate a total rebuild. i.e. a whole new shed.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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8th November 2016, 10:31 PM #5
I'm no expert on solar panels but I think the structure should be up to solar panels. The shed had stood the test of time with the exception of sinking. Through wind and rain it is still there.
It maybe that you need to strengthen it in some areas but personally i don't think a rebuild would be needed unless you had the extra cash and wanted it 'just so'
Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art
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9th November 2016, 05:47 AM #6
I'm thinking that the shed may not be strong or sufficiently rigid enough to support the weight and wind load of the solar panels and the people climbing over the roof to install them.
I'm also thinking that the shed may be much younger than the house, dating from when the property started to acquire motorised machinery. But the iron sheets probably have the manufacture date painted on the underside.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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9th November 2016, 01:35 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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You wont know the condition of the posts below ground level unless you expose them. We had a similar situation on one of our properties.
Here is what we did:
1 Temporary tombed the beam beside the post.
2 Put a post hole digger down against the side of the post.
3 Checked post for rot below ground.
4 If rotten, dug second post hole on other side of post.
5 Cut post off at ground level.
6 Second cut about 50mm above first.
7 Levered remaining butt back and forth between the two post holes, lifted out with chain and jib.
8 Cleaned out post holes (now one hole).
9 Bolted heavy duty gal saddle to sides of post, extending down into hole remaining 100 mm from bottom of hole.
10 Filled hole with concrete to ground level.
This all took place about 20 years ago. Shed is still standing happily today.
Hope this helps.
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13th November 2016, 03:07 PM #8
My 2 bobs worth ...... too big a job, so dismantle complete shed and build new one..... I'll take all timber & iron off your hands for free..... problem solvered
I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds
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13th November 2016, 08:43 PM #9
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