Thread: Mafell P1cc Jigsaw

MAFELL P1CC JIGSAW COMPLETE WITH ANGLE BASE AND BLADES | Power Tools | Gumtree Australia Campbelltown Area - Athelstone | 1286179142

You'll need to price it realistically if you want to sell it. That kit + the 800mm rail is AU$950 delivered to your doorstep, new and with a warranty. (I know because I have one)

Thanks for the heads up, I paid much more than that so impressed that you got such a good deal, where did you get it from? Did it include the angle base as that doesn't come with the standard kit and that kit number does not include the base which came as an additional purchase? You might be right I may have to keep it and pass it on to my son.

I got mine from Dictum but delivery can be variable in the midst of COVID

Axminster do the full kit, incl. rail and angle base for $950 delivered, or the basic saw in a systainer for $750 delivered. I've just bought some Blum kit from them and it arrived in 8 days - quoted 3 months by the locals. They've just had them on black Friday sale (and even cheaper), so stocks are low, but they're generally restocked in 2-4 weeks.

Originally Posted by Bernmc

You'll need to price it realistically if you want to sell it. That kit + the 800mm rail is AU$950 delivered to your doorstep, new and with a warranty. (I know because I have one)

Bernmc, as an owner, are they as good as they are claimed to be?

I'm very happy with mine. Goes through anything like a hot knife through butter. Lots of clever little design elements too - like the parallel fence that attaches to the guide rail also has a little flip-down guide to act as a normal parallel fence, and hides the little circle cutting pins inside too.

It's quite a beefy, heavy-ish jigsaw, so if you're dainty-handed the barrel might be uncomfortable to hold.

The only thing I miss would be a fe$tool plug-it connector so I didn't need to string out its lead when I use it. #firstworldproblems!

Whether it's worth $750 is something only you can answer. It's very expensive for a jigsaw. I suspect I'll never buy another jigsaw though, and I don't mind paying a bit more for a good tool.

Originally Posted by Astrolec

Thanks for the heads up, I paid much more than that so impressed that you got such a good deal, where did you get it from? Did it include the angle base as that doesn't come with the standard kit and that kit number does not include the base which came as an additional purchase? You might be right I may have to keep it and pass it on to my son.

Astrolec

It is always annoying in the extreme when you find a product at significantly less than your purchase price, which is why I try not to re-visit the goods (not always successfully as I can't help myself). The real problem for you in this instance is not only the reduced price but the fact your jigsaw will not have warranty. A buyer can purchase more economically new plus have warranty. You may find somebody to buy from gumtree, but otherwise it looks like the son is heading for a very nice gift unless you wish to lower the price significantly.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bernmc

I'm very happy with mine. Goes through anything like a hot knife through butter.
Whether it's worth $750 is something only you can answer. It's very expensive for a jigsaw. I suspect I'll never buy another jigsaw though, and I don't mind paying a bit more for a good tool.

Thanks Bernmc for the rundown.
The problem I have had with jigsaws in the past is getting them to cut square. I don't know if it's technique or the machines or a combination.
Yes they are expensive but I would consider the investment if I can get the result.

Originally Posted by Huon pine fan

Thanks Bernmc for the rundown.
The problem I have had with jigsaws in the past is getting them to cut square. I don't know if it's technique or the machines or a combination.
Yes they are expensive but I would consider the investment if I can get the result.

It definitely cuts square. Mafell also make their own blades which are excellent (the saw will take any standard spade connector blades too)

Dear Bernmc,

Yes I guess I may have paid too much when I purchased mine. I did look at the Axminister site and they are out of stock at the moment and despite offering free Australian delivery I am wondering if you will be up for import duties, they seem to imply the GST is paid but you don't seem to get the real information until you are at the check out stage. However I have decided to remove the add from Gumtree once it has run its course. I have no intention of reducing the price, if someone crawls out of the woodwork and wants it at that price so be it otherwise my son gets it! I will remove the tread once I have sent this reply. Your help and comments and that of others has been much appreciated. I had a Festool before and that was utter rubbish, one of the few Festool purchases that I have made that I didn't like. All my other Festool items have been fantastic but they just don't seem to be able to make a decent jigsaw. Kind Regards and have a great Xmas

Dear Bernmc,

I just realized that I probably cannot delete the thread, I don't use forums very much so a novice! Interestingly enough I had a look at the Dictum site, seems like a good supplier, they have a special on the Mafell Jigsaw at the moment for 486.71 euros incl VAT but shipping is extra. However it does not include the angle base which is very expensive. A direct bank rate conversion to Australian would make it $767.49 but as you would know you don't get bank rates the conversion people always add on a charge be it PayPal or otherwise and it is heavy so the shipping would be expensive. The normal price is 543.83 euros which at bank rates converts to $857.57. I would not be surprised if the jigsaw with the angle base would cost you around $1,500 dollars with shipping and import duties and conversion rates and Dictums special only lasts to end of the month. I think that you were very fortunate to get the deal that you did and good on you but from my research there are no deals like that at the moment. Axminster don't have the product at the moment and who knows when and if they get more stock and I am quite sure the price would have increased by then. The good warranty that Mafell offers only applies to product purchased in Germany or Austria.

I agree with the Fe$tool comparison - their jigsaw is the reason I went for the Mafell!

Axminster prices include shipping and all duties. They use global express. What you pay them is the final amount - ie $950. (As an aside, there are no import duties for goods under AU$1000. But if Axminster advertises a machine for AU$2000, then that's to your door - it includes all taxes and duties. Nothing more to pay, no customs agents to deal with. And it'll arrive here faster than most Aussie companies will ship.).

I bought the saw, angle plate, extra blades and splinter guards from Dictum just over a year ago. Including postage it came to Au$946 landed on my doorstep. What you're missing is that EU VAT is deducted from the price you quote above - that's 20% off the 487.71 to start (or Around AU$160 off that $860-odd), and anything else you add to the order. Keep the total (incl postage) under AU$1000, and there won't be any duties.

Gumtree is the place to sell to the unwary, but this forum is a community, and I believe we have a responsibility to fellow members to keep the place up front and honest. If I needed that particular saw tomorrow, then I'd negotiate with you. If I could wait a couple of weeks, I'd set a stock alert at Axminster, and get a new machine with warranty and excellent customer service from them when it was back in stock (in fact I'd hang on a little as there are likely to be holiday season sales and specials)

Dear Bernmc,

I don't doubt what you paid over a year ago but you still have to pay Axminster by some method and there is always a charge either by PayPal or otherwise. I checked on the Dictum site which is where I got my last lot of figures and they do not include freight or the base. The figures I quoted are directly off their site and I used the bank rate conversion which of course you would not get, you would end up paying more either using PayPal or some sort of bank transfer. The current tax rate in the UK is 18% it was 20% but has apparently been lowered perhaps because of Covid. A lot has happened since you made your purchase, the UK parting with the EU for one which I have no doubt will have a bearing on any overseas purchases in the future and the International Freight problems. Container costs alone have increased enormously which has affected the price of goods everywhere. Perhaps Axminster tools will offer Mafell at a good price again but at the moment they have no stock. I am not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. my unit has had virtually no use which is easily seen from the photo's or if someone came for a trial and look. I would be happy to show a buyer the receipts for what I paid and they are considerably more than what you paid. As I said I am not desperate to sell I merely added the Gumtree link as a courtesy to Forum members they are at liberty to make their own decision. I am also not interested in shipping anywhere I only want a local pickup, that way a buyer can see what they are getting and have a trial. I am sure your input will be appreciated by any member thinking of a Mafell purchase, the only thing I would add is contact Dictum and Axminster for a proper quote or go through to the check out stage and see what the current market price will be. I am not expecting to sell the Jigsaw as it is very expensive, fantastic machine but expensive I merely listed it as testing of the water especially as it is Xmas and someone with money might want to have something special for Xmas! Kind Regards

18.00%

About £18 tax on a £100 purchase
Exact tax amount may vary for different items


The current United Kingdom VAT (Value Added Tax) is 18.00%.
The VAT is a sales tax that applies to the purchase of most goods and services, and must be collected and submitted by the merchant to the United Kingdom governmental revenue department.
Of the thirty four countries tracked, twenty one have a higher maximum VAT rate then United Kingdom.Countries with similar VAT rates include Greece with a VAT of 19%, Chile with a VAT of 19% and Slovak Republic with a VAT of 19%.

18.00%

About £18 tax on a £100 purchase
Exact tax amount may vary for different items


The current United Kingdom VAT (Value Added Tax) is 18.00%.
The VAT is a sales tax that applies to the purchase of most goods and services, and must be collected and submitted by the merchant to the United Kingdom governmental revenue department.
Of the thirty four countries tracked, twenty one have a higher maximum VAT rate then United Kingdom.Countries with similar VAT rates include Greece with a VAT of 19%, Chile with a VAT of 19% and Slovak Republic with a VAT of 19%.

Dictum is in Germany, not the UK.

No matter how you spin it, you're asking more for a 2nd hand tool than it costs new. You may get lucky on gumtree with a desperate buyer or a misinformed, but I suspect anyone spending that kind of money on a premium tool will have done their research. Properly.

I just hopped on Dictum and filled my cart - Here's the checkout: Note the disappearance of EU (not UK) VAT.

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EU573 is AU$904. Even if you add 10% mysterious bank premiums (and they're nowhere near that), it's still less than you're asking. For new tool. And as it's under AU$1000, there are no Aussie duties.

There is no need to ask Axminster for a proper quote. It's $950 to your door, all inclusive. And that's for a better kit - it includes the 800mm rail.

This has gone on a bit, but I really object to the spread of misinformation and vagaries, whether it's intentional or not.