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    Default Warning: Marketplace scam - FedEx / UPS / Courier to collect item with cash

    Sorry if this scam has already been notified.

    I received this message on Facebook Marketplace today for a bit of machinery I'm selling.

    "Ok I take but I would like to come today but I am currently busy with work, I will send a FedEx postman to your home to give you your money in cash and collect the item."


    Sounded fishy, but not as fishy as the sheila in America who wanted me to ring her to arrange delivery of a 50 kg item that's currently in Melbourne, so I did a google search on "FedEx postman scam" and this came up. The clown who contacted me didn't have the brains to attempt something off script.


    Huge Facebook mistake you must NEVER make – it’s spreading like wildfire

    Jamie Harris, Technology and Science Reporter

    • Published: 16:08, 8 Jun 2023
    • Updated: 16:08, 8 Jun 2023



    Fraudsters have come up with a cunning money-maker by asking for collection via FedEx or UPS.

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    Scam messages can look something like thisCredit: @daximumlife29 They start by making out they're busy.
    "OK I take it but I would like to come tomorrow but I am busy with work at the moment," the scam usually begins.
    "I'll send a UPS letter carrier to your home to give you your money in cash and collect the item."
    The problem is, delivery firms like Fedex and UPS don't even offer such services.

    But the scam gets weirder when they ask you to pay for insurance of the envelope that's supposedly carrying your cash payment.

    They claim that it's necessary from the delivery provider.
    They promise to leave the additional amount to cover the cost in the envelope.
    To reel victims in further, the fraudster will ask for your email address.

    They'll use this to send you a fake email pretending to be from the delivery company where you need to deposit the insurance money.
    It'll include things like a fake tracking number - this is just to make look like the real deal.

    But if you pay them, no envelope will ever arrive.
    And should you get suspicious and refuse, things can turn nasty.
    The perpetuator may start off with the sympathy card, saying they'll lose money because the delivery order can't be cancelled.
    This can even lead to threats if you keep refusing.
    The scam has actually been going on for a while now but Facebook Marketplace sellers say it's still happening.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/19791386/facebook-marketplace-scam-fedex-ups/


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    Cash in the hand always works for me. No cash - no deal.

    The only other one, like this one, I've heard of is where they say they'll pay you using Paypal, and they do. And they say they'll send some truck over to pick the thing up. And they do. The trouble is that, somehow, and I don't know how, is that they can grab their money back from Paypal. Your item has gone off on some truck, and when you look at your Paypal account the funds have gone too.

    I guess the only way to outfox these scammers is that when you see the funds in your paypal account you'd have to transfer it out and into your bank account. But as I said, cash in hand is best.

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    Been on Gumtree for at least 12 months that I know of

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErrolFlynn View Post
    Cash in the hand always works for me. No cash - no deal.
    Same here.

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    I don't know if I'd call it a cunning money maker, this type and the many variants of this sort of scam have been operating for many years. Generally if it doesn't pass the common sense test, it's pretty sure to be a scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 419 View Post
    This can even lead to threats if you keep refusing.
    Threats of what? There’s nothing these pathetic losers could do to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack620 View Post
    Threats of what? There’s nothing these pathetic losers could do to you.
    Best not to engage with them at all. I would not put anything past these individuals / syndicates -

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack620 View Post
    Threats of what? There’s nothing these pathetic losers could do to you.
    Not sure about what someone with high level scamming and computer skills can do to my computer or other alarming things we hear about identifying and tracking people and making their lives a misery, but against my better judgment last (12/9) night I thought I'd offer my scammer a similar but cleaner deal than he offered me, so I sent him this message:

    "Sorry, computer problems so I was offline today but I can send my courier to you tomorrow if you pay cash on delivery.". 'Tomorrow' being 13/9 just gone.

    Oddly enough, and I very much doubt he has high level scamming and computer skills, as at 12.55 a.m. on 14/9 he hasn't taken up this irresistible offer.

    Mildly disappointed I didn't get a response, as my next step was to ask him for money to cover the cost of the security guard to ensure the courier driver didn't disappear with my cash.

    I'm also mildly disappointed that the American sheila ignored my suggestion that she turn up at my (unspecified) place at 5.30 am with cash.

    Very hard these days to know who's a scammer, or just someone who should be mature enough not to enjoy winding up scammers.

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    If you want to be absolutely amazed at just how big a business scamming is, and a laugh at the clever guys who scam them back and expose them, google 419 scammers. Some of these guys break into the scammers internal cameras and actually show the people crapping their pants when they're addressed by their real names and show the funds they steal!

    As an aside, i get stacks of emails each day threatening to release videos of myself doing nasty things if I don't send anywhere from $500-1500USD in bitcoin to a specific wallet. And as wallet transactions can be tracked, I looked a few up, and found they were moving around $25k-$100k in only a few months. So that's a stack of people who actually got fooled by the bogus emails and paid up! And then probably got tapped a few more times being an easy target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 419 View Post
    I thought I'd offer my scammer a similar but cleaner deal than he offered me, so I sent him this message
    If nothing else you've distracted one of them from annoying someone else. While they are engaged in conversation with you they have been prevented from badgering someone else.

    Whenever I get a phone call, that's obviously a scammer, wishing to tell me somethings wrong with my computer or some bogus sale or package delivery I interrupt them making up some excuse (eg. the saucepan is boiling over) and put the phone down and walk away. I leave the phone on the desk with them hanging on the end of the line for as long as I can. If they are sitting on the other end of the line while I watch TV then I've restricted their activities.

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    Default Paypal no guarantee,,

    My Son was caught by some low lifes when he was selling trading card on Ebay.

    As soon as thay received, and signed for the goods, they contacted Paypal, said they had not received and got a refund from Paypal

    Aust Post woulkd not pay on the insurance as they had a signature on receipt.

    Paypal do not even check.
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