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    Default Did a little bit on the forge today

    I pulled out some of my smithing gear today and had a go at annealing some cheap files, I want to see how they will go as a plane makers float.
    From what I have read they were made from old files by the plane makers sometimes.
    After heating the files up quite bright I slid then into the bucket of saw shavings, and put a lid on it. 6 hours later they are still to hot to pick up with bare hands.
    At about the 3.5 hour point I took one out and put a bit of water on it , it sizzeled away , I left in on the wooden bench for five minutes , then dipped it in some water, I did a test and hammered it on the face of the anvil, the metal deformed, which is a good sign , the non annealed files crack like glass .
    When I held the end of the test file half an inch over the edge of the anvil and gave it a whack ,the half inch snapped off. Im hoping the tool will hold an edge in its annealed state, its not a fine edge like a woodwoking chisel at 25 degrees, with a guess its more like 35 degrees. and its pushed not hit. Any one have any opinions opinions ?

    Apart from that ,I want to put the missing hood back on my forge one day . like the one in the drawing.
    And the one to four blower set up with the gate is how I have been pumping the air to the fire .
    I drag all this out of the shed when I want it , exept the forge lives under a sheet of tin out side on my favorite {messy}side of the house.

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    A few more pictures.
    The iphone does not take great pictures, The fire and the file were not this bright.
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    Hi Rob, looks good. A quick question, what is the other blower looking like bit between the blower and the forge?
    Cheers

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    Hi DJ,
    My forge has a hand cranked blower, that is what you are calling the other blower , I think ? , it's the one with the hand crank.
    The one with the electric motor I put up high on a stand and made the air gate which gets connected to the original blower through a length of down pipe. the air just goes through the original without me touching it.

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    Thanks Rob, that explanation and pic clears it all up.

    I've got a Dawn blower that I want to use for a forge when I get around to making a new one to replace my small home made one.
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    Iv'e never seen a Dawn one DJ.
    I just found the catalog for my one online. here are some pictures of it. I will put up a link to the PDF of the whole Catalog as well. There is plenty in it.
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    I'll take some pics of it on the weekend for you

    Got it off a old neighbour of mine when he was clearing his factory.
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    Thanks DJ ,I look forward to seeing it , I like the old gear .

    How are you thinking of building your new forge, whats the fire going to sit in ?

    I built one which I use at work once every few years. I made it from 150mm of the bottom of a 44 gal drum in which I used a type of cement used in fireplaces , cant remember the name of it. It works pretty good but it's a dam heavy thing to move around.
    I have been thinking of another ,a light weight, powered by an Electrolux vacuum cleaner, same way I supplied the heavy one with air. unless there is a better way ??
    I want to contain the vac underneath , covered, have the fire a bit higher up , wheels would be good as well.

    I'm just enjoying dreaming it up ATM

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    Hi Rob

    Heres the pics of the blower I have. Says 3B on the side of it.

    image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg

    And this is one of my homemade one which cobbled together from scrap. Blower is from a clothes dryer. I had a 8mm plate with holes drilled in it that sat on some 25mm RHS for the coke to sit on in the base of it.

    image.jpg image.jpg
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    Nice blower and forge DJ . thanks for showing them.
    So is the new forge that you are going to build be a bigger permanent one ?

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    So is the new forge that you are going to build be a bigger permanent one ?

    Rob
    Thanks Rob.

    That is the plan, something that I can just fire up when the need arises and fit in some bigger equipment, since I built the cobbled together one I have branched out to owning earthmoving equipment and a crane truck. So a bigger forge would also allow me to heat pins, bushes etc for pressing work and also tempering old truck springs for tools etc.
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    Old truck springs, where do they turn up ?
    I will have to go have a look at a truck wrecking yard around Dandenong somewhere. I find leaf springs off trailers sometimes and have a stash . and a few coil springs but it's all to small
    I have been working with some vintage wood working machinery and they sometimes need a special large spanner hanging off them to use on some big nut for holding the cutter head on, and I like the old style spanners, like in the pictures.
    It would be a nice project cutting them out with the oxy then grinding and refining in the forge.
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    I can get some for you if you like, my truck mechanic is just down the road from me and I'm sure he has a few laying around.
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    Default Forge design

    It is great to see forges being built and used! There are many ways of building a forge, some better than others! This site is very good in explaining the pros and cons of different forge/firepot designs, Beautiful Iron
    It has the design for a side draught sheet metal chimmey that is very good.
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    DJ, it would be good to know the thickness [ I would need at least 1/2 inch I think or more?] and how much he wants for them, if you ask when you see him next , thanks.

    anglesmith, Thanks, good link that one you put up. bit hard to find things on it though, this must be the forge ? or the hood, not had time to read it yet.

    Steel s-draft drawing

    I have a book somwhere ,that shows an English forge which blows from the side and the tuyere [ just spent 5 minutes looking for that word] is water cooled , it runs through a tank.

    Any one used a forge like that and what is the benefit of having it set up that way ?

    Rob

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