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Thread: Oil Burners for Casting Furnace.
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15th April 2007, 09:50 PM #1Prairie Joints
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Oil Burners for Casting Furnace.
G'day you blokes,
Well I got my 25kg. bucket of Petrobond Friday last after the help I received from you fellows in the "Wanted Petrobond" thread.
Now it's time to start building the furnace. I have a bag of castable refractory which I bought last year and intend using a 25 litre paint tin for the outer and a piece of 6" or similar pipe or flue for the inner diameter.
Originally I intended using LPG as the fuel but I reckon Waste Engine Oil, Vege Oil or even Diesel will be much cheaper alternative. What do you guys think and have any of you used or using this method for heating ?.
I have some basic Oil Burners plans (downloaded from the net) for a Babington type burner. Seems simple enough with gravity feed Oil and compressed Air. Both of which I have in abundance.
I will be casting mostly Aluminium, but no doubt will try bronze at some stage.
Look forward to your responces........Barry.Quote "What one man can do another man can do" UnQuote: Anthony Hopkins in the movie "The Edge". "A problem is just a solution in disguise", author unknown.
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15th April 2007, 10:14 PM #2
G'day Barry,
Seems you're heading in the right direction.
Cupla years ago, LPG was probably the go...no more.
There is another thread here on Babington burners with every link you're ever likely to require. Don't forget the very small hole required to get them to work efficiently.
Lots of luck
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15th April 2007, 10:25 PM #3
Be interested in your progress, Barry, read a couple of the links Noel mentioned the other night & ruminated on making a workshop heater based on the same techniques.
Keep us posted.
Cheers................Sean
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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15th April 2007, 10:43 PM #4
G'day Sean & Barry,
Here are some more links for oil burners.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...earth/me4.html
http://pateri.com/Foundry/Burners.html
http://www.motherearthnews.com/libra...ber/Cheap_Heat
http://www.angelfire.com/pro2/jason_...oilburner.html
There is another Mother Eearth News article, where the guy uses a Gas Cylinder as the heat radiator for a workshop, with an oil burner up the spout.
I have "gifs "of the burner, but not the entire article
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15th April 2007, 11:09 PM #5
I use kerosene, and will probably switch to waste oil in the very near future. Not because kero is expensive, but the burner I use isn't exactly user friendly. A waste oil unit isn't all that user friendly either, but at least it has scope to be a little easier to work with and potential for more BTU/h.
Since you have compressed air, give the babington a try. I am not keen on them since I don't have compressed air, and if I did I'd be running a pressurized system identical to what I have now with adjustable pressure and stick with kerosene.
There's nothing special about them, main things are a good mix of air and fuel, along with ability to adjust the balance and to have a burner with good reliability and flame stability.
(I'll be blunt here, I don't like the babingtons very much because it seems to be an awful lot of jerking around and there are not all that many out there and being sprouted as being a good thing. That worries me a little, even though I fully understand how they work and why. Don't let me stop you though since I know they do work, I just don't like them all that much.)
I plan to use a small can lined with insulation and a thin hotface of castable, inlet and outlet as a kinda pre-furnace to heat up the oil and air and make it get going. If it doesn't work out as planned, I'll stick with kero till I work it out and the small can will become a small melting/heat treat furnace.
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16th April 2007, 12:10 AM #6
Schtoo, and others i guess...
I see you dont have compressed air... but, all the fiddleing about with a preheat etc to have enough heat inside to be able to get the oil to start combustion is just a huge pain. The way i did mine was to use kero as a start and then change to oil with the aid of a twin needle valve (made for the job) to mix in the oil and to back off the kero seemlessly and also giving the ability to adjust how much heat you want to generate. In the 44gal drum that the furnace is built into, i could have it running on straight oil in less than 2 mins... Just a thought or different way of doing it that others might like to try...It's Ripping Time!!!
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16th April 2007, 03:20 AM #7
Let me put it this way...
For the cost of a single needle valve I could buy a compressor and use it to run the burner, and have it do only that.
I don't have have any needle valves, so I design accordingly.
So, how does your burner work specifically?
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16th April 2007, 08:46 AM #8
Schtoo i adree with you about not being able to aford to buy a needle valve, let alone a twin!!! Mine cost me about $9.00 for brass fittings and the rest was a scrap block of Aluminium and some M6 stainless rod and about 4hrs of my time...
My furnace has 2 pressurised pots, one for the kero and the main pot for the oil, used auto trans fluid in my case, both of these have about 25 psi of air to them. Each pot goes to the twin needle valve, and the outlet into a jet mounted inside a piece of 65mm pipe, with a reducer down to about 22mm, at the end of the pipe. The jet is located (depth wise) maybe 10mm back from the front of the reducer ( this gives a high speed air stream to help with the atomisation of the kero or oil as it enters the furnace). The piece of 65mm pipe has the exhaust of an industrial vacume feeding into it for the forced air supply, and there is a hole in the side of the 65mm pipe with a simple slide collar to be able to bleed off the unwanted extra air, for when the furnace is being started or running at a lower heat level.
I hope all of that is a lil clearer than mud!
(Somewhere i think i have some pics if anyone is interested, but they might take a lil finding.)It's Ripping Time!!!
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16th April 2007, 10:37 PM #9Prairie Joints
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G'day All,
Thanks for your replies. I'll have a look at those websites for suitable designs. Discovered a couple of likely suspects on a Casting Web Ring. Will report back with some thoughts once I have a clearer picture of which way I'll go.
In the meantime I'll start construction of the furnace. Seems as though I'll need a 2" minimum inlet pipe for whatever burner I use. I'm using ideas sourced from Casting publications I have to hand as well as what I've found on the net.
Thanks again...........Barry.Quote "What one man can do another man can do" UnQuote: Anthony Hopkins in the movie "The Edge". "A problem is just a solution in disguise", author unknown.
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16th April 2007, 11:22 PM #10
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17th April 2007, 10:10 PM #11
Here's a few pics, sorry bout all the dirt etc but its been a few years since its been used!
It's Ripping Time!!!
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17th April 2007, 10:15 PM #12
And the last few... If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask!
It's Ripping Time!!!
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17th April 2007, 10:57 PM #13
Thanks Mick, it's an involved looking contraption
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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17th April 2007, 11:17 PM #14
It's a lot easier to use than i guess it looks But then again aren't allll projects out of the shed supposed to be a lil over the top or excessive or over engineered in some way
It's Ripping Time!!!
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17th April 2007, 11:23 PM #15
EPA just love oil burners...
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