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13th January 2017, 11:24 AM #1Senior Member
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Gunna check out some bandsaws etc today
Trying to kill 2 birds, 1 stone.
At Brisbane airport, might as well eyeball bandsaws at Carbatec & Gregmach.
Full intention to buy, not just tyre kicking.
Laguna 14/12 & next model, I have seen running prior.
Haven't seen any Carbatec stuff so far.
Spend around $2000 new.
Last minute thoughts?
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22nd January 2017, 03:55 PM #2Senior Member
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Gunna check out some bandsaws etc today
G'day
I ended up buying a Laguna 14/12, with a mobile stand & 2 blades;
3/8 x 6 tpi. 5/8 x 3 tpi.
I looked at the Carbatec models first, and was not overly keen.
I picked up the 14/12 from the local TNT depot on Friday, took it home & assembled it. Piece of cake.
In summary, I think it's OK.
Dust extraction is really, really garbage though.
But, I think they all are based on interweb owners reviews. As distinct from so-called 'industry' reviews. What a crock!
It amazes me in the 21st century that manufacturers are so far behind the 8 ball on dust extraction.
In my mind, I would spend more money to purchase equipment that effectively addressed the dust extraction issue.
You can't even buy a decent extraction solution add-on. Go figure!
So, the extra $400 I didn't spend on the BX model will go towards the drum-sander fund.
Anyhoo, I'm About to change over to the 5/8 blade and cut some eucalyptus logs. Just for fun. Because I can
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22nd January 2017, 07:35 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Congrats on your new saw. A bandsaw is certainly a really useful bit of kit.
I'm curious, you say you'd be happy to pay for better dust collection; do you have a good dust collector setup? If not, maybe it's worth starting there before buying more tools. If yes, then you'll have to pay extra with a bit of labour and add an overhead dust collection point and either modify the lower point and/or add another.
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23rd January 2017, 09:36 AM #4Senior Member
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Hi @DomAu
I have a 1HP extractor At the moment, which I connect to machinery 'on demand'.
It is 'on the list' of things to do
My thoughts were that manufacturers could design decent extraction systems for their machinery, without each and every user having to design and implement their own, or not.
Eg, if Laguna sell 1000 14/12 bandsaws, they only need to design one decent extraction system for that model, which they could supply as an optional accessory.
I would consider they would sell more, rather than less.
I see it as a lost revenue opportunity for manufacturers and distributors.
But hey, what would I know
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23rd January 2017, 09:50 AM #5.
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Yep BS are very useful machines, I cut Al, plastic and dog bones probably as much as I cut wood with it.
Unfortunately I don't see it as losing them any money. A significant majority of buyers, especially first time buyers have very limited understanding of efficient dust extraction requirements.
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23rd January 2017, 11:01 AM #6Senior Member
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Hi BobL
I think that the first time buyers are the new market for these 'must have' OH&S accessories.
Distributors would push it, as they'd probably make better % margin on the accessories, over the machinery.
A bit like buying $200 cables to go with the $800 TV.
Maybe I just overthink this stuff
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23rd January 2017, 11:07 AM #7Senior Member
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As I mentioned previously, I bought a mobile base for the Band saw when I bought it, as I only have ~30m2 useable floor space in my shed.
My table saw, sander, jointer/thicknesser are all on mobile bases, which allows me good use of the space.
The mobile base I bought from GregMach for the Bandsaw is far superior and easier to use to the 2 I have bought from Carbatec.
I wish I'd known earlier these were available. Worth the extra $.
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25th January 2017, 01:56 PM #8SENIOR MEMBER
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Smart move staying away from Carbatec branded machines IMO.
You should be quite happy with the Laguna. Enjoy!
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27th January 2017, 03:00 PM #9GOLD MEMBER
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I move my machines around in my smallish shed, all of them have home made bases. I did purchase the three point mobile kit to go with my Laguna 14/12, but found it too unstable, almost tipping over if the tiny wheels hit a small offcut etc. Quite dangerous if you push it sideways from the front, above where the single pivot wheel is located.
So I made a base out of 3/4" plywood with pine studs cut to size and glued and screwed around the perimeter of this base for strength and to keep the bandsaw in position on the plywood, and added 4 x 3" castor wheels rated 120 kg on each corner. Can push the 120kg unit over uneven concrete flooring with one hand, easy, very stable. Made two jacking points which raise one end of the base off the ground for stability. These are just bolts with a cylindrical wooden base screwed down through the studs at two corners using a battery drill and socket. Takes a few seconds. The base adds 90mm to the footprint on each side, but the extra safety and total ease of movement is worth it.
Did the same for my long bed 8" jointer, 300 kg, easily moves around with one hand.
you can see my original post here:
My custom made mobile baseregards,
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28th January 2017, 02:17 PM #10
Graham,
My dust collection on my Bandsaw is woeful. I have a Carbatec 17" with dual 100mm extraction ports...1 in each cabinet (Upper & Lower). I have the dust extractor sucking from both and I still get sawdust in both cabinets as well as over the floor around the machine. The dust extraction unit is mobile and works great on the Tablesaw, planer & thicknesser but hopeless on the bandsaw.
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28th January 2017, 06:51 PM #11.
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DE on every BS I have ever looked have been woeful and from what I have measured there are a number of issues.
1) The grids/grilles across the extraction ports.
These don't look like they would affect air flow but they actually rob about 25% of the flow through those ports.
My recommendation is cut the grilles out as they do nothing useful.
2) The lower cabinet is usually sealed off so much that very little air can get in so how on earth do they expect any dust to get out.
One solution is to defeat the locking mechanism (if their is one) and prop the door open so enough air can get in.
A safer solution is to cut out a large area hole in the door opposite the extraction port and fit a grille over the hole.
The lower cabinet in this 19" BS is on the other side of the cabinet at the level marked by the red circle
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The third issue address the under tabls extraction which is supposed to be address by the other port you can see in the RHS of the photo above.
That port has to be one of THE most choked ports on a machine I have ever seen and no amount of cutting away of metal can fix it.
I have tried a range of under table collection and so far the best is this one.
The trumpet like arrangement is called a Bell Mouth Hood and is considered THE most efficient Naked port available.
More discuss about BS dust extraction here More bandsaw dust extraction ideas.
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Tip
Nearly every DIY BS I see has its throat plate slot facing back towards the operator.
You will get much more dust through that slot if the slot faces away from the operator.
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