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    Default dc motor/ speed control, from 100 to 1500RPM at spindle

    Hi Everyone,

    I am trying to make a machine a bit like this from my potting wheel to do some art on - ( Click it to 5min 25 seconds)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h1Ci0nAnI4

    But I am failing as at 240 RPM it just doesnt spin fast enough and I cant really modify whats there ( cone drive). It also seems a motor of that size would be way overkill as the canvas I would be painting on wieghs next to nothing.

    So I am after something industrial strength, that I will mount in a box like on the video, that can run on and off all day etc.

    It doesnt need much torque as aside from the X jig to hold the canvas its only a light framed canvas I would be putting on it.
    However it would be bad if I were using it with an audience and all of a sudden it started to smoke and smell and die.
    It needs to work at a professional level.


    So Ive been told just mounting a variable speed dc motor in a ply box is the best way to go but might be expensive.

    I know nothing about electric motors and have no idea what to buy.

    A lot of motors say the RPM but Im pretty sure that the actual output at the spindle can vary from this figure?

    In any case, I would like it to run at about 60-100 RPM going slow then about 900-1500 RPM going fast.

    I would like switches to change the speed.

    Can anybody direct me to what I should be looking at?

    Secondly - If variable speed is too expensive for me, what should I be looking at for a single speed motor. Or even a three speed motor?.
    Something around 900 - 1500 RPM?

    I need to be able to poke the spindle through a box and mount a pulley or something on it to weld my frame onto.



    Any ideas would be most welcome.

    Thank you very much

    Zonga

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    It sounds like a used 4 pole 3 phase motor connected to a budget level Variable Frequency Drive (VFD) would be your cheapest solution.

    The VFD is a programmable box of tricks that converts 240 V single phase to 240V 3 phase plus give you full speed control (plus a bunch of other things which could produce some interesting effects for art work.

    A 0.5HP motor sounds like it will be more than adequate.

    The motor should be able to be configured in ∆ mode (the other mode is "Y" or star) and it usually says this on the motor name plate.
    Some of them even say 440/240V on them - in that case it will be a dual ∆/Y motor.

    Please bare in mind that fiddling with all this stuff is high risk but at least you might learn enough to talk sensibly to an electrician about it.
    There is lots about these motors and configurations thereof in the metal work forum

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    Hi Bob,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Yes, I am just after enough information so that I can either contact my motor shop, or more preferably shop on ebay or online somewhere to get a secondhand unit. Just inching towards what exactly is the best motor/parts for the purpose.
    And then I will install it into the box and to finish have an electrician wire it all up.

    Are you able to provide me with a link for a motor like the one you suggest so that I might know what I am looking at?

    I have just looked at variable speed controllers and they seem to start at about $150 then go up.
    This might bump up the price out of my reach once I purchase the motor as well.
    Perhaps it might be best for me to start my prototype as a single speed or three speed unit before to keep costs down. ( someone has told me three speed motors are cheaper than variable speed)

    However re the Speed controllers - I am very interested in the 'other effects' you mentioned. Also, can you program these, so you have three preset speeds and just use those speeds?

    Once I build one machine I will be building a few more. Thus need to keep the costs down.

    If I simply want a one speed machine or a three speed, which motor would you suggest for about 1400 RPM?

    Thanks very much....

    Ben

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    Have a look at Oatley Electronics in Sydney http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com/...acsruced1ekv86
    They sell DC variable speed motors and motors for scooters and bikes. Some of their motors have reduction gearboxes and they also sell power supplies.

    Good luck with your project.

    Alan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zongatron View Post
    Yes, I am just after enough information so that I can either contact my motor shop, or more preferably shop on ebay or online somewhere to get a secondhand unit. Just inching towards what exactly is the best motor/parts for the purpose. And then I will install it into the box and to finish have an electrician wire it all up.
    A good move.

    Are you able to provide me with a link for a motor like the one you suggest so that I might know what I am looking at?
    I buy all my motors as used motors for relatively low $ (e.g. $30) or pick them up for nothing but I am able to bring along testing gear to make sure that they are OK.
    This might not work for you as most electricians would not like working with an old motor.

    I have just looked at variable speed controllers and they seem to start at about $150 then go up.
    a $150 VFD would be fine.

    However re the Speed controllers - I am very interested in the 'other effects' you mentioned. Also, can you program these, so you have three preset speeds and just use those speeds?
    These units can be programmed to go up and down, and clockwise and anticlockwise over a wide range of speeds.

    I looked a bit longer at the video and realised, what about an old washing machine motor/ They are only single phase but will have more than enough power to do the job and some of these even have several speeds.

    I have fever tried it but I believe a VFD can even be used on some types of single phase motors but they must not have a built in start switching circuit.

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    Hi Ben

    Old motors from washing machines are often free, especially at local council kerbside clean up time.
    Bob Willson
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