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    Default Cedrus Deodara (Deodar Cedar)

    Hello all,

    New to the forum but thought i would post this here in the interests of not wasting a tree that i need to have lopped.

    Just to be clear i have no experience in timber sales apart from the limited research i have done on this particular species of tree.

    The purpose of this thread is to send the timber from this tree off to someone who could make use of it. I would hate to see the loppers come and just chip it up for no reason.
    The species is called Cedrus Deodara (Deodar Cedar) as per my council building approval report. It comes from the Himalayan Mountains area where it is in great demand over there.

    Here is some information below as well as some photos of the tree. The limbs don’t start until approximately 5m up the trunk and it is over 20m tall (Very straight)

    It is a moderate hardwood not a soft wood as I originally thought and as per the attached info I found in the link below here are some of its supposed uses – “It is used in house building, beams, floorboards, door and window frames, furniture and general carpentry.
    It also produces quality plywood”.

    I have put a starting price of $100 here however i am more keen to know my options.

    I am interested in buyers who can slab this tree into timber for their (or someone elses) use. If you believe the timber from this tree has value to be sold to a potential buyer than this is the tree for you.

    Options around lopping and cutting can be discussed as per your suggestions.

    Feel free to reply with anything to this thread.

    Regards,

    AJ
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    A more defined location rather than NSW Australia might help prospective buyers.
    Experienced in removing the tree from the furniture

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    I have milled a couple of these trees and they sure smell nice and have a lovely grain.

    A couple of comments.
    Although they are classed as a hardwood they are quite soft so I would not classify them as a moderate hardwood but a soft hardwood especially in comparison to Aussie hardwoods.
    In fact when I milled it, it seemed about as regular pine

    In terms of actual hardness numbers they have a dry Janka Hardness of around 3.7 kN, Pinus Radiata has a hardness of 3.1 kN, Nyatoh which has a hardness of 4.7, Jarrah which is around 8.5 kN and spotted gum which is around 11 kN. Its like pine to work and straight grained sections are lovely to work with.

    It is used for construction because it is insect and rot resistant and in places where there is often no other timbers available. However it is only about as strong as pine so structurally it should be treated like pine.
    One of the best uses for it is the internals of cupboards and drawers used for clothing as it keeps bugs away really well.

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    Default location of tree

    Hello all.

    Sorry the tree is located at Blaxland in the Blue Mountain's.

    Cheers

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    Hi AJ,

    I don't want to rain on your parade (as I'd be interested if the tree was in Western Australia) but you should read this:

    http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/...orking-eletter


    There is a cedar around the corner from me in the front yard of a house surrounded by sub-division and infill housing. I'm just waiting for the "for sale" sign that will indicate the house is to be demolished, so I can express my interest in the tree.


    Paul

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    Im interested in a block or two but cant do the whole tree, sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56 View Post
    Im interested in a block or two but cant do the whole tree, sorry
    Hello Sebastiaan,

    Ive got a lopper who will cut it and you can take what you want once hes cut it if you really want.

    The lopper has quoted me full price which includes the removal of all trees and Debris so let me know what you need?

    Will you be milling the said log yourself?

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    Default It is a conifer (Pine family) so technically a softwood (Botany info)

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ_Luc View Post
    It is a moderate hardwood not a soft wood as I originally thought and as per the attached info I found in the link below here are some of its supposed uses – “It is used in house building, beams, floorboards, door and window frames, furniture and general carpentry.
    It also produces quality plywood”.
    Just for your information, not a spoiler (as it could in fact help you), the genus Cedrus is in the Pinaceae, the pine-tree family, a conifer (bearing cones). All pines are by definition softwoods, so this is not a hardwood. Hardwoods are technically from flowering plants. The actual hardness or softness of the timber does not determine whether it is classed as a hardwood or softwood as it is historically founded from a time when the known flowering plant timbers (e.g. English oak) were all much harder than the known conifers (e.g. Baltic Pine).

    Cedrus contains quite a lot of pine sap, which gives it its smell and helps with repelling insects.

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    Whatever sort of wood it is its pretty good to work. But wrong state for me.
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    Nice looking tree

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    I wont be milling it but splitting it with a splitter. The idea is to produce wedges which can later be used for stringed instruments. If the miller can leave a couple of clear blocks in the 400-500 mm length that would be fantastic. The Blue Mountains wood turners may also be interested. Their clubhouse is in Mt Riv.

    I'll pm you a phone number

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ_Luc View Post
    Hello Sebastiaan,

    Ive got a lopper who will cut it and you can take what you want once hes cut it if you really want.

    The lopper has quoted me full price which includes the removal of all trees and Debris so let me know what you need?

    Will you be milling the said log yourself?
    "We must never become callous. When we experience the conflicts ever more deeply we are living in truth. The quiet conscience is an invention of the devil." - Albert Schweizer

    My blog. http://theupanddownblog.blogspot.com

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    Don't forget Sebastian if you are building goosesticks the sides need to be round 830- 850mm.

    Steve

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