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28th February 2015, 04:39 AM #16GOLD MEMBER
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Yes, those were grobet saw files. The worst thing is that I did get one box originally and they were decent. So I ordered four more and got them and they were junk.
I can't imagine that they can allow the needle files to go to junk, unless they don't want to sell to jewelers and craftsmen. Thanks for clarifying that's all that's left from them that's any good.
Bahcos have a bit wider corner than other files I've had, but in the sizes I use for them, I've never had anything stick in the gullets. I just try to pay attention to what I'm doing and look to see what I last sharpened with, but my supply of non-bahcos is running out, and I resharpen a rip saw more than any other type of saw that I have, so the small saws aren't as much of a concern. I guess when my last few swiss 4xx files are gone, I'll have to go to needle files, too.
I've never bought pferd (mostly because I've never found them available for cheap), and vallorbe i've only bought in jeweler's files (they are good files, though). If bahco stops making good files, we're in trouble.
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28th February 2015, 04:42 AM #17GOLD MEMBER
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28th February 2015, 08:22 AM #18
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28th February 2015, 08:28 AM #20
We do have a few buddies in the States, but it's the inconvenience of a long wait or horrendous postage cost - none of this place the order and have them the next day caper. The stupid thing is that the local Bahco distributor has most, if not all of the saw files available. It's just that no retailers stock them, which makes me wonder how long the distributor will be able to stock them for - they must sell hardly any.
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28th February 2015, 09:28 AM #21
D.C, Google the supplier you mentioned for Bahco. Given his reviews and my experience I would encourage others to support individuals like Isaac.
FF, I got a quote from VEK on a box. Doesn't matter which size of saw file a box of 10 is $110
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28th February 2015, 09:40 AM #22
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28th February 2015, 04:04 PM #23
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28th February 2015, 05:13 PM #24Member
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Hi Rob,
Do you not have trouble with the teeth breaking off of the file, literally? My 5xx grobets certainly do this. I am just trying to use them up at this point, as I had bought several boxes of them. I have the same problem with the 4xx as well. But not as many of those. As others have mentioned the only Grobets that seem to be worth a darn are the needle files. I am actually due to order a couple of boxes. So off to shopping I go. But at some point I will try the Bacho files. But I came across quite a few 6xx , 7x & 7xx NOS K&F files that work fairly well. ( Made in Brazil ) but still better than the others. AT $1.00 each I couldn't not take a chance on them. The quality control was obviously not the best. Once in a while I will get a bad one.
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28th February 2015, 05:28 PM #25
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28th February 2015, 08:26 PM #27
Given that they are 200mm long, compared to the usual 180mm, they must be a custom run for Grobet. However, you wouldn't think that they would necessarily be toothed differently, but maybe they are. There are only 3 file factories left in Europe - Glardon, Tome Feteira and Liogier. There is actually a fourth, Stahl Willie who claim that ALL of their tools are made in Germany, but they only make a tiny range of Engineer's Files.
Isaac I'd be interested to know what is punched in the tang, i.e. "Grobet Suisse" or "Swiss Made" etc, and whether or not the arrow is present.
Here is the F.Dick version that Glardon makes for them:
and the Indian saw files that F.Dick and Grobet USA have made for them (the black ink is a dead set give away). This pic was to illustrate the lousy grinding of the blank, which essentially makes them a double cut file:
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28th February 2015, 08:40 PM #28
For those who haven't seen the report that Isaac mentioned (and that may include D.W. Rob Streeper and Ron Bontz), you can download it from here:
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/files-test-report-extensive-testing-23-files-3-experienced-filers-174867
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28th February 2015, 09:37 PM #29
Well (Isaac) I haven't GOT any files yet. Have got as far as looking at Bahco's Australian website, wherein they claim to have quite a range of tapered saw files.
(Brett) - I'm not even trying to find a retailer, the bigger tool stores here in Brissy carry a pathetic range of files. The only retailer who carries what you might call a 'range' is Blackwoods, but they are such a pita to buy from. Last time I was there, the bloke serving me came back with the wrong files (I'd asked for 'mill' files & he brought the regular flat files), but I'd already waited so damn long, I just paid for what he brought out & left in disgust!
To get some Bahcos, I planned to do the same as for the Pferd files I bought. Order though one of their listed 'agents', whatever the minimum quantity is (box of 10, I hope). If they work out ok, I will certainly let everyone know. You will probably hear me singing "Hallelulah" from your Blue Mountain retreat.....
Ditto - have broken many of those sharp ends off, also mostly in the file guide.
I use mainly 160mm, reason being most of the extra 20mm on the next size is at the sharp end (or so it seems to me!), & I seem to get very little benefit from the extra length. So on a cost/benefit analysis, they simply don't stack up, for me. I get my files from the same chain as Stewie does, but the folks here in Brisbane aren't as generous with their quantity discount, or I lack Stewie's charm & pursasion, so they still cost me more than they ought...
And just to be different again, I much prefer the 4 cuts for sharpening, and have even started using them for tooth forming. Compared with a single-cut 'regular' saw file, these things just eat metal, so even with a 4 cut, it only takes about 4 strokes to form a tooth for an 18tpi saw, and two more, perhaps, for a 15 tpi saw. The difference in speed of cut between a 3 & a 4 is very small, and the finer teeth of the 4 leave a slightly nicer surface on the sharpening run. So when I ran out of 3s a couple of months ago, I decided to rationalise my file stock a little, & just switched to using 4s for the whole process...
Cheers,IW
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1st March 2015, 07:33 AM #30
Hi Ron,
I try to use Nicholsons when I can get them, especially the old ones. The box of 5" XXS files I referred to above is of recent manufacture. The imprint is so small I can't tell the country of origin and the box didn't have any information as to origin on cursory inspection.
So far none of the teeth on the first file I've used have come off. I am extra careful to avoid any looseness in my saw vises so that oscillation of the saw plate doesn't do damage to the file teeth. I often put a damper between the plate and one vise jaw to reduce singing.
These new files seem to be a little less durable than are some of the older lots of Nicholsons I have but so far their sharpening performance is good, especially so considering that I paid $2.50/ea for a full new box. When the weather improves I'll post some pictures of the new and used files as well as the various labels and stamps on the box.
Cheers,
RobInnovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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