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14th June 2018, 05:24 PM #16New Member
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Ha ha! 20 years ago a friend of ex wife visited AUS. She (as the ex) was from Portland. The standing joke was, Come visit Oregon in the summer, the nicest week of the year! Or, 'you can tell the locals, they don't use umbrellas or walk fast in the rain...and she told me, after complaining of how difficult it was to understand 'Aussies', that 'People from the Pacific Northwest speak the MOST perfect English in the world)..... go figure...
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15th June 2018, 04:04 AM #17SENIOR MEMBER
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Ha! Most of the native oregonians I have known have an accent that would pass as scandanavian. I always end up with a weird look when I ask them:
"Are you from Norway or Sweden?"
(nasty look) "No.. Oregon.."
anyway - I grew up in a place awash with nearly every dialect of what could sort of pass as "english".... I can generally understand about everybody so long as some portion of it passes for English...
A funny result of that is that I have ended up being the "English to English" translator..... The most humerous example of this was when I took my very-deep-south-country- Eastern USA dialect speaking wife to California... And they literally could not make out a word she said.... She would order something in a resturant and they would look at her like she was speaking Chinese or something... So she would repeat it louder - which made it worse... They would look at me dazed - and I would tell them "She wants a coke"..
But I have had to do this lots with work when we have folks come in from other places... Redneck to Mexican english.. Various flavors of Redneck or south American/Island or New York/New Jersey/Boston english to various flavors of British, Irish, Welsh, Australian, china, india, Africa, etc....
I guess I never realized how hard it was for some people to understand a different dialect of their own mother tongue... But my own parents could barely make out what my Wife's mother was saying about half the time.. But I had no trouble with it until I ran into local idioms that made no sense until explained...
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15th June 2018, 04:20 AM #18
Three (edit: four) Aussie timbers out of the top ten, but nothing in the ten softest timbers. Also I assume this is timbers sold by Alan so hardly comprehensive.
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15th June 2018, 11:51 AM #19New Member
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TruckJohn,
Great to see a fellow English speaker that understands! All of the language...I recall a PBS show in about 1985 about the history and development of the English language. Each, of 13 weeks, explored a different English speaking culture. I grew up in the SF Bay Area and thought WE spoke without an accent, until I got out a bit...we used to think the southern drawl was an 'uneducated' accent, sorry...I love it now, fluid and smooth. The other accent that gets up my nose is the American language pedant pho-net-ic one, where e-ver-y syl-a-ble is enunciated...I enjoy listening to most all accents, save for that 'new' Southern California 'Valley Girl' twang that has unfortunately permeated right through the country...and a thick Scottish accent is still difficult to understand. My watered down (after 30 years) neutral Calif accent is sort of Aussie-sized and peppered with local slang. Keep on translating! Cheers, mate.
Jim - 30 yr expat in AUS
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15th June 2018, 08:40 PM #20
LOL, accented "english" can be a lot of fun.
1. A Scottish-Australian mate is easy to understand until he gets excited about something, or had a few beers. When he goes home, they can't understand him because of his Australian accent.
2. There was an ABC (Aussie Born Chinese) working in our studio who, naturally, spoke with an Aussie accent. One of the clowns would speak in broken English with her and she'd respond in kind. It was hilarious. Until one Monday she came in a said they had to stop. She was out with friends when they all stopped talking and just started at her. She was speaking in broken English ;-)
3. Two brothers originally from one part of Galway had a totally different Irish accent from another bloke who grew up 20mins from them.
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15th June 2018, 10:07 PM #21New Member
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Yea, and most yanks think that all British and Aussie accents are the same! Ha! An interesting thing about Aussie accents is that they are not so much regional as they are representative of education and socio/economic upbringing. The 'ocker' accent is a real cracker, skin to the British 'cockney' or 'Essex' accents. And we use rhyming slang as well as a HEAP of local vernacular, dare I say more than any other English speaking culture. Search a book on Aussie speak and 'ave a laugh'...think Hoges in Crocodile Dundee...
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16th June 2018, 12:35 PM #22GOLD MEMBER
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Russy, As Graeme says, Lignum vitae is called "Guayacann" in the list
What is interesting is that these refer to mostly commercially available woods (in US). Many minor species eg other desert acacias and there are many eg western myall, some gidgees, certain mulgas etc which are not mentioned. Also many Australian woodworkers would know that dryland woods, like western rosewood, wilga, belah / black (she)oak, black cooilbah, Cooktown ironwood and a few eucalypts (eg some ironbarks, wandoo etc) are VERY hard too as some here have mentioned. Although these are rarely commercially available, overseas or here now, I can attest to both their harness and density having worked & cut these occasionally over the years.
In most cases there is a strong association between hardness and wood density ie the higher the density the harder the wood. Interestingly, with BULLOKE the hardest of all, it does not have the highest density. Why is that?
Sheoaks were used as blocks (about 6 x 6” laid on their ends) for roads, much like bluestone cobblestones are eg in Melbourne. There is a Mall in Collins down from Spring street, where they have been retained and polished a a historic display. Hardness results in good wearing and durability for roads and flooring.
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17th June 2018, 10:46 AM #23Neil____________________________________________Every day presents an opportunity to learn something new
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20th June 2018, 06:16 PM #24GOLD MEMBER
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Hmmmm ... maybe, but tests were done by official (reputable) testers / bodies. Usually if one gets surprising results (very high or low) one would be inclined to check equipment, wood samples etc and repeat them to verify. Then the results would likely be average of a number of tests results.
The Buloke from western Vic is exceedingly hard (to saw) and would resist the fingernail test. I can't mark it.
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20th June 2018, 06:44 PM #25GOLD MEMBER
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Wood hardness has been explored (covered by comments) by many others over the years I see. Most is subjective unlike data provided in reputable reference sources like KR Bootle (Wood In Australia)
On this database Buloke does not even rate .... Top Ten Hardest Woods | The Wood Database
You might find the discussion interesting too
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20th June 2018, 08:49 PM #26
It's interesting you mention the WA Buloke, I have heard this before, makes me wonder if that species is a different sub-species. I've discussed this in the past with a few people around SEQ who also think our stuff was relatively soft (compared with other QLD desert species).
Yes very interesting. I agree with testing should be for numerous specimens, in all directions, with an average then being determined. But then I agree it is hard to get the samples necessary due to the rarity of the trees.
MY opinion for the hardest timbers is based on cutting and turning old fence posts and beams but no doubt impacted by silica content. The hardest I have dealt with was an old opal mine beam of Minirichie. Other IWCS members have advised it is not a very hard timber, relatively speaking, so I have been chasing a tree ever since. My last trip to the opal mines around Winton where it is common was stymied by flooding. Just my luck, no rain for 10 years, then I go during flooding.Neil____________________________________________Every day presents an opportunity to learn something new
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20th June 2018, 08:53 PM #27
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21st June 2018, 12:05 AM #29
Common Name Latin Name Source Density Kg/m3 Janka Hardness kN Ash Crow's Flindersia australis NSW 950 11 Belah Casuarina cristata NSW 1150 20 Belian Eusideroxylon zwageri Sabah 1000 13 Bloodwood, Brown E. trachyphloia NSW 1050 13 Box Grey E. microcarpa NSW, VIC 1120 15 Box Grey coast E. bosistoana NSW, VIC 1100 13 Box Steel E. rummeryi NSW 1130 17 Box White topped E. quadrangulata NSW 1030 14 Box Yellow E. Melliodora VIC 1100 13 Ebony Diospyros Nigeria 1010 14 Gidgee Acacia cambagei QLD 1250 19 Greenheart Ocotea rodiaei Guyana 970 11 Gum, Blue southern E. globulus VIC 900 12 Gum, Grey E. propinqua/punctata NSW 1080 14 Gum, Maiden's E. maidenii VIC, NSW 950 11 Gum, Red forest E. tereticornis QLD, NSW, VIC 1050 12 Gum, Round leafed E. deanei NSW 960 12 Gum, Spotted Corymbia maculata NSW 950 11 Gum, Yellow E. leucoxylon VIC 1010 11 Ironbark, Grey E. paniculata NSW 1120 14 Ironbark, Red E. sideroxylon NSW, VIC 1130 13 Ironbark. Red broad-leafed E. fibrosa NSW 1140 14 Ironbark, Red narrow-leafed E. crebra NSW 1090 14 Ironwood, Cooktown Erythrophleum chlorostachys NT 1220 13* Lignum Vitae Guaiacum Central America - 20** Mahogany, Red E. resinfera NSW, QLD 950 12 Mallet, Brown E. astringens WA 980 15 Mangrove, Red Rhizophora mucronata Papua New Guinea 980 11 Messmate, Gympie E. cloeziana QLD 1000 12 Purpleheart Peltogyne Guyana 865 11 Rosewood, Indian Dalbergia SE Asia 600 12*** Saffronheart NSW 950 13 Sheoak, Rose Casuarina torulosa NSW 920 14 Tuart E. gomphocephala WA 1030 11 Turpentine Syncarpia glomulifera NSW, QLD 930 12 Wandoo E. wandoo WA 1110 15 Wattle, Green Accacia decurrens NSW 830 11 Woolybutt E. longifolia NSW 1070 11
*Green
**Not clear whether Green or Dry
***Figs.look a little suspect. In the description section density is quoted as 850kg/m3 which is more likely for the hardness.
Hickory (USA), while listed, had no hardness or density data. Modulus of elasticity, modulus of rupture and crushing strength were at the upper end of the scale as may be expected.
All the above data is sourced from Keith Bootle's book "Wood in Australia" and figures quoted are for dry timber except as stated above. May be able to add some Latin names tomorrow (This has now been done). The criteria was that I took anything that was more than 10kN (10000N).Unfortunately quite a number of timbers mentioned in this thread do not feature in the Bootle's book, including most of the Casuarina Oaks.
It should be pointed out that most studies of this nature will concentrate on timbers available in the region where the study is conducted. Timbers that are not commercially available and consequently available in relatively small quantities tend to be excluded from such studies. We can all say "what about such and such timber?" Problem is that the samples for testing have never been available.
Let me know if I have missed anything or mis-quoted. As SWMBO has pointed out at excruciating length, I am not perfect.
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well done Paul!!
an interesting compilation of density & hardness. )
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