Thread: Fruit trees for semi-shade location

It might be useful to mention that I have planted the following over the last three months and all are doing well. These are all growing in the sunny area, but I’ve about run out of sunny spots now.

The exception was one koroneiko olive which died, possibly from being kept too wet with watering and mulch.

Olives - California Queen and Manzanillo
Figs - Black Genoa and Brown Turkey
Pomegranate
Feijoa
Cherry guava - red and yellow
Guava - Hawaiian, I think.
Papaya - red and yello
Citrus - lemon, lime, mandarin, Valencia orange.

And again, I should list the trees I would most like to grow. I notice these are marketed as full sun only. Has anyone had any success growing these in partial sun? I ask because they all seem a bit like tropical forest species to me.

Mango
Avocado
Lychee
Longan
Panama berry
Cherimoya

I also wonder whether I should try another guava in the semi-shade. They look like rainforest secondary growth type of tree.

All of these mentioned above grow well enough in this area - but the only specimens I know are in full sun.

I’m generally not in favour of growing out of place tropicals though - I don’t want something like a black sapote struggling on for years and never doing well.

If I grew the above, I’d allow them to reach full height, and grow up between the spotted gums.

Arron

Many of these trees will grow fine in partial shade.. The issue is producing quality fruit... Quality fruit generally come from a little water deficiency and full sun.. With too much water - you get big, mushy, flavorless fruit... With not enough sun - you get small stunted flavorless fruit...:

Others may not really be what you think you are getting.... Mango for example grows like a weed into a gigantic tree... You can easily find yourself overwhelmed by the sheer amount of mangos dropping all at once and "mango poop" all over the yard... Avocados can be similar... We had almost 400 lbs of avocados drop from 1 tree in a month...

on a few of the plants you mention...
1. Cold chill hour requirements - this requires plant dormancy and temperatures below 0C to accumulate. Blueberries and Paw Paw's can have issues with this.

2. Have you ever tasted a paw paw or some of the exotic fruit you mention? Many of these fruits are not big commercially because there are too many people who find their flavor disgusting or repulsive... Paw Paws are like this - you either love them or consider them completely inedible and disgusting... There is nothing in between... Unfortunately my family and me are in the 2nd camp - but I have friends who love them.... Go hunt down some of the fruit at a farmer's marker before you buy the tree or you may end up digging them all back up.. All my Goumi, Gogi, and Autumn Olive are gone because everybody in my family agreed that the fruit is astringent and disgusting even when ripe... YMMV...

If you could get Lychee or Longan to grow and fruit - that would be a great choice.. The big thing I ran into was squirrels, rats, and birds eating all the fruit before I could... And if you can find a low chill blueberry variety - that's almost the best fruit in the world for a home gardener.... Blueberries and figs are as close to ZERO maintenance as you can get...

For some reason my thoughts were always thinking that Avocado can be grown in a milder climate as well as a hotter one. I think there are some varieties that will grow in such a climate I just don't know if they also require to be in full sun for them to grow.

Something that I was not aware of until it was mention on this forum is that Avocado need two trees to produce fruit a male and a female. I guess you might need to investigate this a little further.

One of my friends father when he was alive he had access to a Mango tree that would quite easily grow in Sydney climate. I was very young at the time(20's) and did not understand what was being offered and declined the plant.

Paw paw's also need multiple trees to properly pollinate. Even blueberries do better with multiple plants to pollinate....

There are also low chill varieties of peach and apple that grow in equatorial places.. The down side is that these need an intensive spray program to get any fruit at all.. Not recommended for normal people....

Originally Posted by truckjohn

Many of these trees will grow fine in partial shade.. The issue is producing quality fruit... Quality fruit generally come from a little water deficiency and full sun.. With too much water - you get big, mushy, flavorless fruit... With not enough sun - you get small stunted flavorless fruit...:

Others may not really be what you think you are getting.... Mango for example grows like a weed into a gigantic tree... You can easily find yourself overwhelmed by the sheer amount of mangos dropping all at once and "mango poop" all over the yard... Avocados can be similar... We had almost 400 lbs of avocados drop from 1 tree in a month...

on a few of the plants you mention...
1. Cold chill hour requirements - this requires plant dormancy and temperatures below 0C to accumulate. Blueberries and Paw Paw's can have issues with this.

2. Have you ever tasted a paw paw or some of the exotic fruit you mention? Many of these fruits are not big commercially because there are too many people who find their flavor disgusting or repulsive... Paw Paws are like this - you either love them or consider them completely inedible and disgusting... There is nothing in between... Unfortunately my family and me are in the 2nd camp - but I have friends who love them.... Go hunt down some of the fruit at a farmer's marker before you buy the tree or you may end up digging them all back up.. All my Goumi, Gogi, and Autumn Olive are gone because everybody in my family agreed that the fruit is astringent and disgusting even when ripe... YMMV...

If you could get Lychee or Longan to grow and fruit - that would be a great choice.. The big thing I ran into was squirrels, rats, and birds eating all the fruit before I could... And if you can find a low chill blueberry variety - that's almost the best fruit in the world for a home gardener.... Blueberries and figs are as close to ZERO maintenance as you can get...

I bought two low-chill blueberries a few days ago. I’m not convinced they will work out but they were inexpensive and I have the space so I’ll give them a try.

I also found a Jaboticaba in Bunnings. Healthy little tree and also not expensive.

I’ve never tried American pawpaw here and never seen the fruit for sale. I have seen one local nursery advertise the trees, but most people just confuse them with tropical papaya, which has traditionally been called pawpaw in Aus.

The way I see it is if I plant something I don’t like then someone else will, so no problem.

I’ve decided not to plant stone fruit or apples etc as the fruit fly will be a problem and I don’t want to do the spraying.

Fruit bats and cockatoos are the big problem around here. I’m not sure how I’ll deal with them, just try and work something out when the time comes. Brush turkeys, lorikeets, bowerbirds, possums, bandicoots and wallabies all ramble across our back yard from time to time so I guess will all be in there as soon as they see some free food. I’d rather not think about that side of things now because it is a bit daunting.

Today I chopped down a big camphor laurel and removed some lower branches from an ironbark so I’m opening this area up a bit. Removing anything else will need council approval which will not be easy to get.

Christos, there is a mango tree growing a few doors up that has masses of big fruit. It just looks like a Bowen Mango. It’s been pruned low at about 2.5 meters but is very wide. All the local lorikeets feast on the fruit. We are only about 20kms from northern Sydney, but whether the microclimate is same or different we haven’t been here long enough to know. I’m hoping the topography will make the winters warmer.

Cheers
Arron

I really like Papaya. It's one of my favorite tropical fruits... American paw paw is a totally, completely different thing. It's a member of the Jackfruit/breadfruit/custard apple/ate/cherimoya family... Things in this family are popular in Asia and the tropics - so I would be surprised that you could not find it in Asian ethnic grocery stores....

Personally - I believe that the American Paw Paw is poorly suited to your climate.. You won't get enough cold chill - I am too warm and we get 300+ hours below 0C here.. The tree is also very intolerant of dry conditions.... It's also not a well domesticated fruit which benefits from millennia of selection and breeding to make them eat well.. They are basically either wild selected or are 1 generation from wild... Cherimoya and the asian/mexican Ate (custard apple) seem to be much better with regards to domestication...

I get your point about somebody else liking it... The issue is tying up precious growing room for 8-10 years only to decide you really dislike the fruit.. If somebody else likes it - they can grow it in their yard... My yard is for my stuff... I have chopped down and dug up a lot of fruit tree duds...

We have mulberry, lime, lemonades and blueberries all in partial shade and doing well in Lake Macquarie not far from the central coast. Blueberries need a soggy soil and protection from the possums and bower birds. The mulberries are the best as they need no care at all, they crop heavily so there is enough for us and the birds and bats. The citrus needs feeding and spraying for leaf-miner but it crops OK. Also we have a cherry guava in the same area that does well with no care.

Thanks Len.
Is the cherry guava also growing in the semi-shade and if so does it fruit OK? And do you need to spray it for fruit fly ?

Also, what do you spray for leaf miner with - it seems to be continual here ?

Cherry guava is in semi shade (all are under a couple of big lemon scented gums and also on the south side of the house so maybe six hours sun a day) no need to spray at all. I think the fruit is too tough for fruit fly but a really nice bite for me. Leaf miner you need to spray with white oil which is just vegetable oil and detergent at 4:1 diluted down with water about 50:1 and sprayed on liberally at least once a week. Also all infected leaves must be cut off and destroyed by fire or hot compost. If the infected leaves are just dropped on the ground the leasf miner can complete its life cycle and reinfest the tree. Once all sources of re infesting are eliminated then you can get pretty much free of the little buggers. The moth itself is a tiny little white thing that is quite weak and they don't travel well. The problem here is neighbours with infected untreated trees just over the fence.

Tamarillo prefers shade, suffers a bit in full sun. Macadamias don't mind a bit of shade or full sun. As for avocadoes needing cross pollination, not necessarily true, we had a lone avocado producing fruit for many years before I started propagating and planting them on our property. Incidentally this avocadoe grew out of an old compost heap and eventually produced fruit averaging a pound.

One year on and I’m back on the same issue as the weather is cooling and i don’t mind working outside.

In this semi shade area:
I planted a Tamarillo and it’s growing really fast.
I planted 2 papaya and they are doing really well.
I planted a tiny mulberry and it has hardly grown at all.
A lychee I planted has also hardly grown
I planted a Hawaiian guava and a Amann guava and they are doing ok now but have been hammered by the possums, slugs and something else and are periodically stripped of all leaves. I’m not sure how well they’d do if they could just get a break from the pests.

The blueberries are struggling. I think it’s to clayey and too dry for them.

I’ve just come inside from eating a yellow cherry guava and they are wonderful. Definitely another of those will be going in - probably to replace one of the red cherry guava which are rather bitter.

Plus I’ve just purchased another tamarillo, a papaya sunshine solo, and am on the lookout for a babaco. If anyone knows where I can purchase a babaco in Sydney/central Coast/Hunter region please let me know. Happy to travel for it. Also happy to purchase online from further afield.

Plus I read that a lot of bush tucker food is well adapted to growing in semi-shade, being rainforest stuff, so I purchased a finger lime, black apple, Davidson’s plum, smallleaved tamarind and midgen berry. Hopefully they will be well suited to the local conditions.

I’ve ruled out mango and avocado because they will grow big and block the neighbours view.

If anyone else has any further suggestions for fruit trees that grow well in semi-shade I’d like to hear them.

Cheers
Arron

Arron, if you're a tea drinker , maybe you could consider planting a couple of camellia sinensis. As for large trees, you can always prune to suit your garden. The Japanese have been doing it for centuries (bonsai).

I know you’re right about pruning but I need to be realistic about this - I’m not getting any younger and it’s a long carry to the kerbside.