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    Default I know Matty likes the old Motors

    A very early motor design dates from the 1890s. rotor and stator wound 3 phase 550 volts . It's a 1200/6 poll rpm at 60 hz and 1.5 ponies. I don't have a machine for it yet but the older motors are very rare and so it's best to pick them up when you come across them. It's been suggested it's a type of generator/alternator. Anyone with motor knowledge about these early motors? the slip rings don't have the mica slots.










    forgot to add a ground wire

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    I do Jack !
    Especially GE ones.
    That's a beauty I'll have a look in my big GE catalog for some pics !

    Melboune Matty

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    Why would i ever doubt That you would limit your catalog collection to just machines Matty?
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    It's not just Matty that likes them, but some of us don't have the money and space to buy all the cool old stuff
    Several of the machines at work are still running on old Australian General Electric or ASEA motors (only 4-pole, we're not that fancy) and I'll bet they'll still be running after we all kick the bucket

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgforsberg View Post
    Why would i ever doubt That you would limit your catalog collection to just machines Matty?

    Its outa control Jack, every thing from catalogs of lumber mills to catalogs on 18th century hand tools !
    I need help i think....

    These squirrel cage ones are my favorite !!


    Here are some catalog cuts Jack also, not sure what model frame yours is Jack....



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    your great Matty. Any thing on the switch gear for the slip rings in the catalog? Date ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgforsberg View Post
    your great Matty. Any thing on the switch gear for the slip rings in the catalog? Date ?

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    Yes there would be jack, 1000 plus pages of info, GE made a lot of gear !!
    The Catalog is dated 1925
    Can you narrow "switch gear" down a bit I got every thing here from air operated through to oil circuit breakers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by L.S.Barker1970 View Post
    Yes there would be jack, 1000 plus pages of info, GE made a lot of gear !!
    The Catalog is dated 1925
    Can you narrow "switch gear" down a bit I got every thing here from air operated through to oil circuit breakers.


    Melbourne Matty.
    The switchgear for these motors would be for slip ring shorting starters . It's probably got something to do with timers and starting circuits where the slip rings would be engaged and then trip out when the motor was up to speed .
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    Comforting to see there's some knowledge around here on old motors! I'll be getting to work restoring an old Pope 1/4 HP motor that came with a Woodfast Junior bandsaw soon.

    Had a friend recommend a good book on the matter so I've got a copy of Electric Motor Repair by Robert Rosenberg in the post (thank you eBay) and I'm going to dive in over the weekend hopefully. I've got a good multimeter, will take loads of pics and label all my wiring during disassembly - any other tips for someone starting out?

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    Vaguely remember using a motor like that converted to a welder. Had a lever with a quadrant welded to the pulley and bolted through the quadrant to one of the bolts on the body of the motor.
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    Had this delivered last week, only just had a chance to flick through it. Full of useful information with pictures and diagrams in the left hand booklet.








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    Wow, good stuff bueller.
    That book looks very useful, and relevant to the old gear.
    I don't know about over your way, but little fractional Pope motors are common over here.
    Good training practice, but I wouldn't want to spend much on one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewOC View Post
    Wow, good stuff bueller.
    That book looks very useful, and relevant to the old gear.
    I don't know about over your way, but little fractional Pope motors are common over here.
    Good training practice, but I wouldn't want to spend much on one.
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    I had a really good read the other night, it's probably one of my favourite purchases in a long time. Really excited to crack open one of my training motors and start working through it but I'm trying to stick to one project at a time right now. Couple more weeks and I should have the space to get started [emoji2]

    The Perth market is pretty weird for second hand stuff, most of the time it's either stupidly overpriced or practically giving it away.

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    G'day
    given the discussion in this thread about vintage electric motors I thought you all might be interested in the electric motors I recently rescued from being scrapped (@ 45 cents per kilo). Both are single phase, one is a one HP Brooks and the other is a two HP General Electric. The Brooks dates to around 1947 (appears in Brooks Publication "Installation and Maintenance of Electric Motors" dated 1947). It is capacitor start induction motor and has an external centrifugal switch. The General Electric is a communutor motor with two brushes. I have not been able to date it and have not been able to turn up any information about it. The intention is restore them both to operational condition and utilise them on two of the machine’s I have. Any information on the General Electric motor would be appreciated.


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    I have been given an old Westate 2HP 3P motor by another member.

    I thought the men's shed might use but it turns out they don't want it so unless a WA member wants it, its going for scrap.

    It weighs about 35kg

    I thought of posting it in this forum because vintage machine enthusiasts might not see it in the classifieds.

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