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Thread: Building a Waller TS540
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27th August 2009, 04:43 PM #181
Hi Phil. It all went ridiculously easily. Fitted the thing without an assistant in about 2 minutes. If you make the pin sleeves as per plan and make the board to those dimensions all will be OK. The inner sleeve juts out of the board a tad on each side. When you put the pin into the end caps with the inner sleeve also inserted (I'm talking about out of/away from the board) that establishes all of the distances. The assembly below establishes the outer width of the case plus doublers (or is established by it, depending which you do first)
In other words the inner faces of the CB case need to be just a 'bees whatsit' wider apart than the length of the inner sleeve, because it will be the thickest part of the board.
When I got the pin assembly made up by an engineer, he made the pin a bit loose, and I wasn't happy with the slop that would give to the board, so I had him make a proper fit with a new pin and feels very good. Mike's pin assembly design makes very good sense to me, especially because the outer flanges give a lot of area for sealant.
If the pin alignment is a bit off, there is plenty of adjustment that can be made when you mount the caps either side, but a reasonable vertical hole in the board (drill press or check the drill with levels as you go) will be fine.
You can make the board up a little thinner if you are worried, then just build up epoxy on the sides till you are happy with the fit. But I would have thought a wider gap would make room for bigger obstructions to jam everything up...but you'd know better about that than I do.
Hope that's coherent!
(I should add for people who haven't seen the plans for this boat that there is a stainless steel pin inside the SS tube in the assembly pictured. The middle bit of tube was glued to the CB.)
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27th August 2009, 05:54 PM #182
Just had another thought Phil. That's my second this week, I'll have to slow down a bit.
If you are worried about drilling the CB pin hole accurately enough, this is what I'd do. Lay the board on your bench and pack under it by the amount that the centre sleeve needs to stick out of the side (say1.5mm). Do this so that the sleeve can be dropped in and glued from above without having it end up flush on one side! It's good to have the hole a bit bigger than the sleeve so that you can get plenty of thickened epoxy in there anyway, and this will also allow you to massage it into a truly vertical or perpendicular position.
Start with a pilot hole, say 4-5mm, and drill this with the aid of a square to sight the drill bit from several angles, making sure it is parallel to the square. Then use a spade bit (drill from each side to the centre to avoid tear-out) or a forstener bit, a loose sliding fit for the sleeve. Paint in lots of thin epoxy into the hole and wait for it to be sucked into the end-grain, then mix thick stuff and coat the sleeve, then slip it in.
Clean up the sleeve a bit or mask the ends before all this, then maybe oil the pin to protect it a bit and insert it partially. Maybe use something under it so it sticks out high enough to check it carefully from several directions with a square, and when the epoxy has firmed up enough, take the pin out so it doesn't end up as a permanent fixture. You should now have a pin and sleeve that will allow a close CB case fit.
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27th August 2009, 07:26 PM #183Awaiting Email Confirmation
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Thanks Rob.
Sounds do-able.
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28th August 2009, 04:34 PM #184giz·mol·o·gy also gis·mol·o·gy n., pl.giz·mol·o·gies. The scientific study of, or the body of knowledge pertaining to, gizmos.
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28th August 2009, 04:46 PM #185
It wasn't me Your Honour, I wasn't even there at the time.
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28th August 2009, 07:59 PM #186
What's your alibi....you'll need a good one!
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28th August 2009, 08:23 PM #187What's your alibi....you'll need a good one!
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28th August 2009, 09:01 PM #188
.................and all the time the Judge was wishing he was there......
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28th August 2009, 09:19 PM #189
...and the judge replies to the prosecution "Case dismissed! It aint no crime mounting a wench on the deck of a fine boat!"
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28th August 2009, 10:03 PM #190
Now I'm really in trouble....em...that's not my boat..honest.
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14th September 2009, 06:58 AM #191
talking of "not my boat"..... from Turkey I have to report that most of the boats appear to be wooden and of a similar design, all based on a Gulet shape which is generally very full at the stem (almost" blunt") and with significant flare so that the sheerline is not far from horizontal at the bow. Very elegant and yet functional. They generally have a canoe stern. But very few are smaller than 8 or 9 metres and all being commercial are a bit depressing for an amateur to dream about. Carvel construction, a lot of local softwood used. Some great boatbuilding and some ordinary fit outs on the passenger boats , but these blokes know the sea and their boats must represent one of the biggest fleets of traditionally designed wooden boats I've ever heard about. Turkey is a really wonderful place and it's coast is still not completely ruined by tourists like me, but we seem to be working on it.
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14th September 2009, 10:31 AM #192Senior Member
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On your head sail question, I always used a down haul, we called them
dowsers. Just keep it between the hanks and the stay, not flying loose.
The block needs to be as close to the stay as you can get it, to keep
it pulling straight down the stay.
It will keep it on the deck and a little tension on the sheet will keep it
from flogging.
Beautiful work BTW!
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14th September 2009, 05:50 PM #193
Thanks for that Papa, that's how I pictured it, although I'm pleased now to know what to call it and how to keep it all in place . Latest local advice is to do it this way rather than with a furler on such a small boat- despite mikes good advice!
Good diagram! Even able to follow it on my phone, easier than posting anyway, with my three acre fingers and my iPhone screen.
And Daddles and mike if you are reading this I'm still watching your progress despite the difficulty, so don't think you can get away with anything dodgey....rob
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14th September 2009, 09:26 PM #194
Hi Rob and Papa,
I have not seen that system before but have to say ingenious idea should work a treat well done.
We are looking forward to some pics when you get back Rob.
Hmm...dodgey is my middle name
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15th September 2009, 01:56 AM #195Senior Member
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Couple of tips:
Use 1/4" line, it can be soft, a little stretch is good. If you secure the
line and the halyard it keeps everything neat, and safe.
If you tighten the jib sheet on the windward side it will lay on the deck
in a nice pile. If the weather is real bad, a couple bungees will help
as well.
I single handed most of the time, and had a 200% genoa on a Catalina
25. In any blow at all, I didn't want to go forward and try to fight with
it. The dowser made quick work of it and it was safer.
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