Thread: Beach boat

Hey Daddles me old mate, if you are worried about not enough wind in your sails then I'll give ya a tow if ya ain't feeling up to row'n !

Once I get the next round of TRITON machinery it's back to building the good old, tried and tested, Hartley VIXEN..... no wind needed for that one. But my only question is: 'Is 18 foot really enough for any man?'

Aberdeen.......

<I'm a muggins sailor so it needs to be able to teach me so that I learn not to be a muggins sailor.
Must be a good rower - I like rowing. Maybe you don't have to row out to hoist the sails, maybe you do, in either case, she'll be used elsewhere and I like to row.
Single handed ie, I rock up in me car with me boat on behind, the first mate is a small scruffie dog and everything from launching, sailing through to retrieving is done by my good self. >

Daddles me hearty theres plenty of boat ramps around Adealide to lauch that yellowtail off , you dont need to stuggle beach lauching and maybe you will finally get it finished

Daddles
For my two bobs worth (whatever that is today) you've gotta great little girl down the shed.... go on, get down there and finish her off !!!!

You are so close, she looks so great, need I say a lot better looking than that old 'clinker' out the front......

I've been waiting years to see that boat finished, would like to see her afloat before I pass over to the other side..... and I don't mean cross over to plastic boats....
Aberdeen

Just for the record, Iain Oughtred is an Aussie like Michael Storer. He just happens to live on the Isle of Sky, Scotland. Nice chap he is – let me experiment with a birdwing mast on one of his Caledonia Yawls.

http://www.mavc2002.com/cyforum/view...9e2c20106192ae

Originally Posted by Daddles

It occurs to me that I may already have the ideal boat half built in the shed - Sixpence. David Payne's Yellowtail

I see a Yellowtail (bare hull only) has just been listed for sale down South of Adelaide. "Owner pursuing other interests."
Timber Sailing Skiff - ebay.com.au

Surely this is just a coincidence?

Originally Posted by Aberdeen

<I'm a muggins sailor so it needs to be able to teach me so that I learn not to be a muggins sailor.
Must be a good rower - I like rowing. Maybe you don't have to row out to hoist the sails, maybe you do, in either case... >

Only if there is restricted water that prevents you from sailing off the beach. For example you can sail off the front lawn at Biting Midge's place and there is a good area of river to sail in, however if you want to go out on the lake or the sea you need to go under a low bridge.

In that case we don't raise the mast, but row out (it is about a kilometre so takes about 15 minutes plus or minus tide). Immediately after the bridge there is a little beach - we go in there and raise the mast and go sailing.

With small boats raising and lowering sails is much more convenient from the beach, though reefing and other actions, like going through a lock, or coming into a crowded anchorage or having to land downwind onto a dodgy shore in a blow all might require striking or raising sail while afloat.

No great problem with that either - but it is easier on shore.

MIK

I think he is originally from the UK but spent most of his childhood here and started building woodenboats here too. As well as racing up to National Championship level in Gwen 12s.

There were a series of articles written by him on how to build a Moth in Australian Sailing magazine around 1975. He did everything in wood - wings (for sitting out on), mast etc.

I do remember that as he was explaining the design of the hull he strayed away from the conventional way at the time a little and he "thought the boat would go faster backwards than forwards" so he corrected that back to something more conventional.

I am not really sure but I think he had narrowed the stern which was the biggest handling improvement of the scow moths. Narrowing the stern reduces nosediving - whereas the methods for dealing with the problem had always dealt with the front end of the boat.

Amazing conceptual shift that has influenced lots of OZ boats, but the rest of the world doesn't really know yet.

Means the boats can be pushed a lot harder without the nose dropping in.

To think that Oughtred may have thought it up (or my recollection could be shakey)

But everyone thinking about fast keelboats is doing these wide sterns (except for some of the canting keelers which can have more moderate sterns and still enough righting moment) which are difficult to handle requireing a high level of skill.

But the design thinking is moving into production boats. Ever wider sterns and bigger sail areas. Faster, but more piggy as conditions get worse.

MIK

Originally Posted by dognest

I see a Yellowtail (bare hull only) has just been listed for sale down South of Adelaide. "Owner pursuing other interests."
Timber Sailing Skiff - ebay.com.au

Surely this is just a coincidence?

He wants four grand for the thing. The man's nuts
(and no, it's not me)

Richard

Daddles & Co.
If you look deeper into his ebay site he is also selling a David Payne designed Restricted 21 class racing yacht, only wants $8k for that one....

http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZeasytiger.09

I think that also is just the hull.......

A friend of mine has been nagging me to produce a full set of drawings for a 19' 6" x 4' version of a Double-paddle Canoe I drew for my wife. The canoe is 11' x 27", and has substantial rocker, and a subtle amount of reverse curve in the sections, resulting in a similar reverse in the profile of the stem and sternpost.

This is a dream boat, as I haven't got time to devote to the detailed drawings required at this stage, but the idea of a slim double-ender with a very simple rig (I already have the options in mind) and a half-decked layout is really appealing.

As drawn in the attached pdf, Whispering Rose displaces 450kg to the LWL, but could easily carry more as she can settle aft (and forrard) with little penalty to performance, due primarily to the shape aft.

Ross Lillistone
www.baysidewoodenboats.com.au

She's gorgeous Ross

Richard

Thanks for the kind words, Richard.

I'm not trying to push my design here, as it hasn't progressed beyond the hull-modelling stage yet, and given my current workload, it will be a fair while before more is done.

The reason I showed the lines drawing is that for many years I've been fascinated by long, lean double-enders. I am realistic enough to accept that I'll never be able to afford a Rozinante, but maybe there can be something of the same spirit gained through a light beach boat of similar proportions (but without the deep keel - although the International 110 and Joel White's Fox Island Sloop lie waiting in my imagination like Sirens).

The closest I've got to experiencing the dream is with my Iain Oughtred MacGregor sailing canoe. The window between 'not-enough-wind' and 'too-much-wind' is only about five knots wide, but in the correct conditions (say 10 to 12knots) she is a superb thing to take out into lumpy water.

Regarding your beach boat requirements, all I can say is, 'If in doubt, go smaller', and 'Choose a boat with beautiful proportions'. A beautiful boat will give pleasure independent of her size, and beauty will encourage use. At the Great Tinaroo Raid there were three clinker double-paddle canoes - all were nicely made, but one had a certain 'something' in her lines which took a person's breath away. In my eyes, the other two just faded out of view, even though they were good boats.

I guess that you have read L.Francis Herreshoff's chapter on Beachcruisers in The Compleat (sic) Cruiser? I love his 13ft imaginary boat, and I reckon that you could get a lifetime of use out of such a thing.

Cheers,

Ross Lillistone

Richard... listen young sprog get yer backside trackside to the friggin shed and get the damned boat FINISHED!!! ...strewth mate even Ive been hanging out for centuries for you to bloody launch the thing!!

Stop droolin over other designs me hearty an get to with gusto!!

Personally I still DROOL badly over anything Oughtred... and sure as heck miss my plans of Grey Seal those plans would have to have been the clearest easiest read set I bought over the years... sigh...

a boat a boat a kingdom for a... oooh right shes taking the kingdom okay then a car for... mmm okay nix that... a bottle of grand mariner I was savin for a rainy day for a boat!! YEAH THATS IT!!

ah well boats are a fine dream eh wot

Shane