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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyj View Post
    Hi Brent,We did the run last year an awesome trip the design we used was a modified version
    of the Atkins Russell R very happy with our choice
    http://atkinboatplans.com/Oar/RussellR.html


    The Afloat magazine did a story of the trip http://magazine.afloat.com.au/?iid=105280#folio=22

    John
    Hi John,
    I've read of your exploits in a couple of places with building a similar craft a possibility for myself. The Russell R design looks good. I wonder how you found the position of the motor? I have looked at Seagull Trunnell design and wondered about adapting Russell R into a trunnel boat. I'd be interested in your (and other's) opinions about that making a difference to the loading and driving comfort over the conditions you found.

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    Hi Burraboy,
    Don’t understand why you would want to change either design the Russell R is good the way it is if you want a Poole
    Canoe (Trunnell) build one the boats look similar in breadth and length but I think the Poole canoe has more rocker
    than the Russell R (can’t find any offset tables for the Poole Canoe). I think you will be disappointed with the result,
    less interior space, noisier, motor would need to run deeper etc.


    The Russell R is a nicer boat with a 6 or 8hp on the back are you planning to use a British Seagull?

    John

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    Interesting read guys. Would love some pics, guess of i click on some links (which I will shortly) I'll find some more info and pics


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    Don’t understand why you would want to change either design.

    Beams are the same; 5'8", but the RR is nearly 2' longer, giving that extra bit of room for a long trip.
    I'd be using a mix of old and new, Seagulls and a 5hp Tohatsu, so the power available will be more suited to the PC than the RR.
    One had hoped that a hybrid might give one the best of both worlds. A pity I can't build 3 boats, RR, PC and hybrid and compare the 3.

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    Burraboy, Ican’t offer a lot of advice as I have never seen a Poole Canoe the steering maybe better with the motor
    forward but I the fumes would be annoying. Side byside I don’t think the speed would be that different the Russell R
    has a longerwaterline may have the edge loaded. At nearly 22’ long the Russell R rows OK,stand up rowing.


    If I wasto use the Russell R again on the next Murray Run (2017) and I can’t see why Iwouldn’t (unless I decide to
    use an old inboard) she would have a fewmodifications some of them are going to be done after the Goolwa Wooden
    BoatFestival this year.


    ForwardSteering
    Strengthenand modify the Stern and Transom so a bigger motor (6-8hp) could be fitted
    Increasethe size of the Skeg add a couple of strakes or
    Fit asmall Swing Keel
    Work outhow to mount a large solar panel (for the fridge)
    Cover forthe motor they are a noisy bird

    think I prefer the lines of the Russell R
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    Interior layout
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    John


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    Default Shallow draft

    Interesting discussion guys. I read the article about your trip in the RRs. It looks like I should choose a design that has shallow draft with the need to beach and go over many snags along the way.
    The first suggestion of the Redwing 18 still sounds good, especially built out of 12mm ply as it may stand up a little better than the lighter boats. I have a lot of respect for the Atkins' designs though!
    I am wondering if a small inboard diesel type craft would hang up on the snags and suffer more damage...?
    Fuel consumption (or oil for the Seagulls!) for the 2000k's is worth considering on a trip that long.

    Brent (Tas)

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