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    Any ideas on where I can get/purchase plans for a strip planked kayak/canoe for two people, with outriggers and sail ?
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    Hey Huon,

    I've just started using Iain Oughtred's Macgregor Canoe this year, Sailing Canoe, no outrigger included in the plans though. But I have seen a few people make up out riggers and attach them after the fact. The canoe is shown as lapstrake on the plans, but no reason you couldn't strip plank it if you were so inclined.

    I'd probably look at it if you want a longer build, or Michael Storers Sailing Canoe if you want a shorter quicker build more geared to advanced sailing, sitting up and riding on the gunnel etc.

    My build here to give you some ideas.
    Macgregor Canoe

    I can't think of any sailing canoe's with included outriggers offhand. Maybe talk to Michael Storer see if his plans can include anything.

    Cheers and have fun building

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    Gary Dierkings Ulua design may be of interest. Have a look at his Outriggersailingcanoes blog.

    Cheers Alan

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    I was going to suggest GD's work. Sailing outrigger canoes is one of the best multihull books I have ever read and his flexible attitude is most refreshing.

    If that does not suit these people have all you need:

    https://www.clcboats.com

    There are a range of strip kayaks and canoes an outrigger plan and sail plan.

    https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/...iling-rig.html
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    Well that's given me plenty of food for thought ,Thankyou. I'm probably leaning towards an open canoe at this stage. Still two crew, strip planked, double outriggers. Haven't decided on the type of sail yet

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    You haven't given me much background information so here is my 2c worth. Pardon if I'm teaching you to suck eggs.

    Your first decision is about where you will sail and your performance expectations.

    Open canoes were developed for use in rivers and lakes surrounded by hills. The upturned ends increase windage so in crosswinds they can be a pain.

    Closed kayaks were developed for paddling in open water. Lower windage for winds, enclosed to prevent flooding. The price is escape during capsize.

    My personal fave is the decked canoe but it has some of the problems of both more common forms.

    GDs canoes have higher freeboard and you sit on top. Uluah is designed for high speed across open water and through surf. The shape is not optimised for low winds or flatwater.

    You sit too low in a lot of canoes for sailing. Once you get some speed on you might as well have a garden hose pointed at your face. Most paddlers do less than hull speed.

    If the floats are permanent you don't need beam in the main hull. It is just as quick and cheap to build something long and slim and short and fat for displacement, but it will pitch less and be generally faster. If the floats come off you need a degree of stability in the hull.

    Personally I'm not a fan of CLC but then I'm not a fan of a lot of the small boat designers. YMMV. If what you want is a permanent trimaran for sailing paddling and small outboard, and you are set on strip build, uluah is IMO the perfect design.

    Search booko.com.au and the usual places for the lowest price on GD's book. If you can put up with building from off set tables it has everything you need to build 3 of his designs. You can mix and match and you can apply the outriggers and sails to other hulls. He packs a tremendous amount of knowledge into that book and he is a proper gentleman.

    Here is a cheap option, I only had a quick look:

    https://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Bu.../9780071487917
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    You haven't given me much background information so here is my 2c worth. Pardon if I'm teaching you to suck eggs.

    Your first decision is about where you will sail and your performance expectations.

    Open canoes were developed for use in rivers and lakes surrounded by hills. The upturned ends increase windage so in crosswinds they can be a pain.

    Closed kayaks were developed for paddling in open water. Lower windage for winds, enclosed to prevent flooding. The price is escape during capsize.

    My personal fave is the decked canoe but it has some of the problems of both more common forms.

    GDs canoes have higher freeboard and you sit on top. Uluah is designed for high speed across open water and through surf. The shape is not optimised for low winds or flatwater.

    You sit too low in a lot of canoes for sailing. Once you get some speed on you might as well have a garden hose pointed at your face. Most paddlers do less than hull speed.

    If the floats are permanent you don't need beam in the main hull. It is just as quick and cheap to build something long and slim and short and fat for displacement, but it will pitch less and be generally faster. If the floats come off you need a degree of stability in the hull.

    Personally I'm not a fan of CLC but then I'm not a fan of a lot of the small boat designers. YMMV. If what you want is a permanent trimaran for sailing paddling and small outboard, and you are set on strip build, uluah is IMO the perfect design.

    Search booko.com.au and the usual places for the lowest price on GD's book. If you can put up with building from off set tables it has everything you need to build 3 of his designs. You can mix and match and you can apply the outriggers and sails to other hulls. He packs a tremendous amount of knowledge into that book and he is a proper gentleman.

    Here is a cheap option, I only had a quick look:

    https://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Bu.../9780071487917
    I'm just a startled bunny in the headlights of life. L.J. Young.
    We live in a free country. We have freedom of choice. You can choose to agree with me, or you can choose to be wrong.
    Wait! No one told you your government was a sitcom?

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    Thanks Damian for your input, as for the lack of detailed background information, the reason is, I thought I would get a more varied response from people with broader experiences of different craft.
    Thanks again, Damian.

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    No worries, sorry for the double post. I don't know how to fix it.
    I'm just a startled bunny in the headlights of life. L.J. Young.
    We live in a free country. We have freedom of choice. You can choose to agree with me, or you can choose to be wrong.
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    For what it's worth Damian, most of the time I go over what I've written and if I spot a mistake I'll go to edit and delete the offending piece of grammar. I imagine there's a time limit on when you can edit or not.
    Damian, you're not the only one who has doubled up on posts/replies, I've done it twice last time I looked.

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