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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotter View Post
    I can only offer the sympathy of a fellow sufferer! No income, too many boats, too many ideas, my pals are certain I need treatment!

    Brian
    The endless hours Hawk and I have spent discussing this very syndrome only in regards to model aeroplanes (and where he has it worse than me ... but only because I was more narrow minded in what I wanted to fly). This is how I know that you can talk yourself in anything ... and why I respect the 'do nothing' technique for handling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dopeydriver View Post
    Richard , this thread truely has some very good contributions.
    With no real help from me , up till now.
    But one thing I'd strongly suggest you do , is get out there and get Sailing !!!,
    I've made that resolution every year for the last ten years

    I resolved to do that about this time last year , when we started our move to the coast , and I finished up sailing 3+days a week !.
    I joined the yacht club , and always had a crewing job at the Saturday meetings.
    And I just went and introduced myself to the skipper of the biggest , most awesome couta boat in the harbour , and I had another 1-2 sails a week.
    The simple fact of the matter is that they are short of crew , I was welcomed with open arms , inexperienced though I was.
    I think if you do that , get out on the water , you will have a whole new outlook on your boatbuilding situation.
    Thats something you CAN do , that won't cost you anything , and will have a positive result.
    Get out on the water.
    Do it mate !.
    It really is fun !.
    Regards Rob J.
    I know that advice well and it works for a lot of people.
    In my case, I'm not a club person and don't have the freedom to commit to every weekend for anything apart from supporting my son's soccer and my daughter's horse riding.

    I've actually owned three sailboats ... and still have one of them (Redback).

    When I had the Heron, I joined a club and took part in a sailing course - piloted that Heron around a complete racing course (with gybe) without dunking us. Of course, there were the dunkings and the sinking (when I put a foot through the side of the boat) and then there was ...
    Nah, you can have racing - I can see the point up to a point but I'm more of recreational type user - same with my cycling. And if you aren't going racing, why all the fascination with a zillion wires to pull and things to adjust?

    Prior to that was the Torch which I sailed a few times but as Hawk will attest, she was a bit of a handful and I was trying to teach myself to sail in a very windy bay and she was easily as heavy as Sixpence so dragging her the km down to the beach on the dolly was hard work. Once she came to where I live now, although I repainted her, I was never able to physically get her to the beach for a sail.

    And Redback? Too bloody small - I don't fit ... literally.

    Maybe it's not surprising I'm not a sailor yet, but as Hawk will attest, I'm not seduced by all the pfaffing about with ropes and stuff that goes on with sailboats, I'm not that keen on sitting on the side of the damned things hanging on for dear life, I'm not ... let's just say that we have conversations where he lists the joys of sailing and I'm there shaking my head

    But I'll keep trying. The Ubeaut Wooden Boat Squadron will hold more sailing days and I will be there with Redback and will attempt to steal some time in a PDR. I've even got the plans for a PDR but unless I can throw one together in a frantic weekend (looks at Alex's thread ) for zero dollars, probably won't build one just yet.

    I do intend to take Redback down to Westlakes, launch her and spend some time just walking all over her and deliberately falling in to see if I can cure some possible phobias and to find out how far I actually can tilt her over. It'd be nice to see if I can work out some way of tacking her without getting jammed between the centre seat and the rear tank (yes, it happens ... regularly, the boat was designed for short people, another thing not mentioned by the designer).

    Bet you anything you like I'll spend more time racing around in the Little Black Dog than in Redback though

    Do you want to know the worst of it?
    Years and years ago, when I first got into the boat building game, this bloke in Binks kept trying to talk me out of building Redback and to build a GIS instead. I didn't listen of course, yet it would have been a good move then and really, the GIS is the sailboat I should have now ... so I'm building his rowboat instead

    Richard

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    Richard , I'm not a competitive sailor either , and I refused to compromise my horsemanship with competion too.
    But , I joined the yacht club just to get time under sail under my belt , just for the experience.
    And , I quickly formed opinions on the styles of boats i liked , and didn't like.
    The reason I mentioned the "non club" sailing , is because that is what I prefer , not racing , just sailing out for a while , and back again.
    Relaxing , educational , just low key sailing , that costs me nothing.
    The pinnacle for me so far was sailing a couple of weeks ago from Port Fairy to Portland , in cold conditiona , and strong , very cold winds , in an open "couta" boat.
    Just get her tuned up , and watching the coast slip by.
    And looking out for the whales , and watching the 152yo lifeboat gliding along.
    How did I get the ride ?.
    I knew Garry was coming over , and I asked if I could come along.
    Garry made me welcome , and I really enjoyed the experience.
    But , would I buy a couta boat ?.
    No ! , but I've got what I want , in the Grey Seal Huon Seal.
    The couta boat is fun to crew on , but its a real "armstrong" boat , in its traditional form , and too much for me to single hand.
    I love 'em , a lot , but I'd never own one.
    I found that out by experience , getting out and doing it.
    I don't have the answers mate , and only you will really.
    I just believe experience is a good teacher , and will help you make informed decisions.
    For example , although I've always been a real fan of Iain Oughtred and his boats , I didn't know of the advantages of a boat like Huon Seal , till I'd sailed in her , and could compare her to the T/Sailers and couta boats and keel boats I'd been on.
    And I could appreciate her subtle "class".
    And I could also see what needs work.
    Anyway , if you come east at any time , you can have a sail with me , just a relaxed , down the coast sail on HS , or maybe a play in the harbour on the PDR.
    Maybe you could hunt down a sail on a GIS , and if its as good as you believe it will be , then it will get your focus , you have something that will reward your effort , if you do manage to get one.
    The "Black Dog" has had a hold on me for many years , sometimes almost a death grip.
    Now , because (I believe) I'm out there doing things , he is banished to the kennel.
    He is still around , still on the property , but under control.
    I'm pleased with myself.
    I'm calling the shots , I'm doing what I want to do , and I'm really looking forward to the future , for the first time in many years.
    So mate , you are welcome to step on board HS , I'm sure MIK would try his best to get you a sail on a GIS , if it were possible , and hopefully you can go on from there.
    I know its a b-------d wondering around , under that black cloud , but surprisingly , it might well be quite easy , with the right approach , to get out from under it , and make things happen for you.
    Anyway , I wish you all the best , and my offer stands.
    Regards Rob J.

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    G'day Daddles.

    A parallel discussion on openboat forum yieded this link
    http://jordanboats.co.uk/JB/IainO_Ca.../Snipefish.pdf

    and this one
    http://www.rowingforpleasure.blogspot.com/

    and this one
    http://www.woodenboats.uk.com/rowing.html

    There are a number of possibles there, whose sea/surf-worthiness might be easily
    improved with a light deck.

    Also, have you considered Joel White's "Shearwater" or Oughtred's "Acorn" from
    Woodenboat's "Fifty Wooden Boats"? Both primarily designed for oar, with sail
    secondary. I suspect, but stand to be corrected, that the wineglass stern would
    suffer little of the 'being-pushed-around' antics of a wider, flatter stern. By the time it is
    deep enough to be pushed, it has vastly increased its lateral resistance.

    cheers
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    AJ, I was going to accuse you of being an evil man until I realised that all those links are for boats with sliding seats. The argument about sliding seat vs fixed seat is quite hot and at times reaches religious proportions. Fortunately, those supporting fixed seat rowing tend to mirror my attitudes to life and distrust of technical trickery ... they also tend to be of advancing years, obscure bodily proportions and with strangely metallic coloured hair (actually, I made that last bit up bit it sounds good ).

    As for the Acorn, she's a lovely craft and one day I will make one, carefully constructed with no screw holes to fill and beautifully matched timbers. Fortunately, she has a full length keel and is therefore unsuitable for beach work where a flat bottom, even if tiny, is preferred **phew**

    I was up at Duck Flats today looking at their MSD Rowing Skiff. It's lovely when you feel all warm and fuzzy upon seeing another example of what you're building Once the Little Black Dog is finished, Mik and I are going to go in search of what sort of conditions this design can actually handle - Mik doesn't know this yet so don't tell him

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    all sliding seats ??!!! Darn! I didn't notice...

    wait a minute, no they aren't. Or at least, they don't have to be.
    P-l-e-a-s-e can I have my Evil Man status back ?

    What if I chuck in links to glowing testimonies of Bolger's Glocester Gull or Sweet Pea in rough water?
    How about Gavin Atkin's "The Dory" (plans are free, and you know you like free stuff..)

    How about when you stress-test LBD, let me know, & I'll bring Teal along for the dunking?
    (And we won't tell MIK until afterwards )

    AJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.o.a.t. View Post
    (And we won't tell MIK until afterwards )

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    But what caused that Mik sized splash during the third wave set?

    Richard

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    Richard, reckon that narrow flat bottom on the Dog might do better than expected.

    Interesting that the Snipefish link came across from the Open Boat thread.

    You know I mentioned too many boats..........

    Well a pal and I, we have two Snipefish in build. I say in build, a very slow occasional meet up to do more. Just about ready to fix the transom to the jig and cut in the chines. Chine bevels are done up to the rear bit, stem all bevelled in. Hoping to make plank shapes soon.

    Think of it much more of a river / estuary flatish water boat. A winter boat for exploring Hamble River and the pub at the very top!

    Wondering about trying to make it a sliding rigger, rather than sliding seat. Seems to me to make a lot of sense to save moving all that mass backwards and forwards and stop the boat bobbing as well.

    This new Clovelly Scull uses a sliding rigger. I tried it at Beale and it was fine, did not seem strange at all.



    http://www.clovellysculls.co.uk/

    demo of sliding rigger here, click on graphics to see comparison

    http://www.virusboats.com/virus.php?langue=ang


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    The sliding outriggers are bleedin' obvious when you think about it !!
    Thanks for the link Brian. Other than the low sides, the appearance of its front half
    has much in common with a certain 15' prototype in your posession... Have you been
    out for a spin under oars yet?
    cheers
    AJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddles View Post
    But what caused that Mik sized splash during the third wave set?

    Richard

    Wasn't me...

    Or the dog.

    Where's the esky ?

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    hmmm .... must get a broad brimmed sailors hat for my trip.

    (splashing ... splashing down ... triggered me)

    I used to use white broad brimmed canvas hats for working on the waterfront and also for racing. My mother called them disgusting because they had paint spots and vaguely smelled like barnacles. My friends would tease me too. "You and your ugly hats"

    One week on my sharpie on the harbour my hat blew off during a race. It was a race ... so hat was sacrificed.

    One of my friends sailing in a different part of the harbour a week later ... saw something in the water.

    "Hey, that's Storer's hat" and pulled it out as they sailed past.

    Gave it back to me the following week.

    MIK

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    Guess who is third in the boat, found the guarantee the other day clearing out a drawer, 9 years old and still going strong



    http://rowingforpleasure.blogspot.co...on-hamble.html

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    After the earlier super post on Adirondack Guideboats, I am left wondering. Just why do they captivate me so??? Not just the boat, the easy rolling action rowing them?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qwemm_4TYY"]YouTube - Rowing Adirondack Guideboats from Dan Gallagher[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFqa7xZtXKo"]YouTube - The Adirondack Guideboat's first day on Lake Pond d Orielle[/ame]

    Brian

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    Tilley hat. Brian? If so, I'm another user...

    I love the story of the zookeeper's Tilley hat that was eaten by an elephant, was passed by the elephant and then, after washing, resumed duty on the zookee[er's noggin!
    Cheers

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    Man, there's a lot to look at there ... which I won't be doing now because I'm going to be responsible and tidy the house, then clean the house, then do some washing, then finish sanding the Little Black Dog, then get in an hour's formation flying with the herd of pigs

    Seriously, I'll have to leave this lot to later dammit

    Richard

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