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  1. #31
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    Rob-The Titan launch went without any hitches and the boat is everything I have hoped for.

    Engine runs quiet and smoothly,no leaks from around the shaft seal and so I'm one happy chappy!


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    Thats great mate !.
    Now , I'm waiting for your sea trials !.
    I'm really pleased you "hit the jackpot".
    Regards Rob J.

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    I received 49 photos from Les Lampman , the boat broker selling the aluminium boat , this morning.
    That is one very , very impressive boat !.
    Can't help but think though , how much better it COULD be , in plywood and epoxy , paying particular attention to edges etc , things that can bruise , in a rough sea.
    And how much quieter , it would be.
    But still , the aluminium boat is a ripper.
    It is very much a compromise.
    No "chick magnet" , but a damn good trolling boat.
    Lots of sailing , and paravane photos.
    I reckon as a hybrid though , it would be even better.
    Rob J.

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    Apparently the biggest downside to the Timbercoast 22 is the fact that you are sitting on the engine , and its pretty squeezy in the cabin.
    My question , is why couldn't I use a hybrid engine , with V drive ?.
    This would move the engine out of the cockpit , and the space previously used by the engine could be used by the battery pack.
    That would create a lot of space in the cabin , and a table in the cockpit .
    It would mean a stiffer boat under sail , and a much quieter boat motoring.
    What am I missing here ?.
    Rob J.

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    I'm wanting to hear more on the Titan !.
    I like the timbercoast 22 concept a lot.
    But I'd like it in a hybrid setup .
    Seems the Timbercoast isn't the boat for that.
    I guess I keep looking !.
    Rob J.

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    All relatively small inboard have a box right where you'd wish it wasn't. I have a 28' Chris Craft and the engine box still is in the way, but at least at this length, you can walk all around it. Once outdrive and outboards got perfected, the inboard went by way of the Dodo in modern designs, pretty quickly. In fact, I've debated converting my classic Chris (1960) into a stern drive with a new 350, as the original 283 is pretty weak now. I could move fuel forward and under the cockpit sole, freeing up all that space, with the box aft against the transom, where an existing seat now lives anyway. I've done this on other boats, but just can't bring myself to cut up the Chris. Maybe when I get tired of rebuilding the 283 or have to replace some stern frames or something.

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    Yes , I can see all of that PAR.
    And I know Tad just wants to keep it simple.
    But if I'm to throw this hybrid in to the mix , maybe we could improve things , just a little.
    I'm determined to have such a boat now, diesel, electric , and sail , to troll with.
    Even if I have to go to "the dark side".
    Thanks for your post.
    Regards Rob J.

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    I got a really good , honest email from Les , the boat broker.
    He is very experienced , and has been out in the TC 22.
    While he really appreciates the boat , its really only for a bloke to go out alone , ideally , or a couple of good mates , at best.
    Not grandchildren friendly .
    He has spoken to Tad about extending it a couple of feet , and Tad agrees , it could be done successfully.
    And he believes it would be better in ply/epoxy !.
    Les , you are "The Man"!.
    Nothing beats experience , and his honesty is appreciated.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Thinking about my options , I'll probably finish up getting a big bit of tupperware , with huge gas guzzlers hanging off the back of it.
    Which reminded me of an incident at Portland boat ramp.
    We had just bought HS up out of the water , on her trailer , and had quite a crowd around her.
    An older bloke , men and boys were launching a bit of tupperware , when the old Sthn Italian bloke peeled off , and came over to HS.
    He touched her with a reverence , looked me in the eye , and said "This a real boat".
    "If I want to see my boys , my grandsons , I have to buy this boat" , tossing his head towards the tupperware , with a curl on his lips.
    I might finish up like him !.
    Regards Rob J.

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    I think there's a lot of designs available that will make your hybrid possible. Tad's right, a plywood version would likely be lighter and stronger, simply because the scantlings can be more appropriately sized. You should continue the search and look for narrow and light designs. Given the limited resources of most electrics and hybrid options, they just have to be light, with minimum of wave making and frictional resistance. When I worked up my riverboat series, I tried hard to get rocker and hull sides to match wave train expectations, just so I could use a 30 HP outboard to push a 30' boat to hull speed. The same rules apply for an electric, probably more so, unless you plan to tow a dinghy with stacks of PV panels on it too .

    I recently experienced what you did with a new build last month. I was launching in the usual lake, where the local arm chair skippers hang out, drinking, talking about each other's wives and boats they don't own anymore. A Catalina 22' was putting in, taking it's sweet time about raising the mast etc., so I pulled up to the other dock, tossed the rudder on the transom, stuck the mast in the hole and rolled the boom, sail and gaff into the cockpit.
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    This is the boat, just before I rolled out for her test sail. One of the old coots came over and rubbed her toe rail and said "this was the way they're supposed to be built". I smiled and bent on the sail, hoisted and took off, all before the Catalina was rigged. I would have loved to hear the conversation the old coots had as I reached up the cove, but I swear there was a little tear in the eye of the fellow that came over to look. He wasn't much older than me and I hope I don't get so old I can only drool and not sail.

    You'll figure out something, maybe an oversize PeaPod type of design, just don't wait 'till you're an old coot . . .

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    Thats a beautiful , clean boat PAR , well done !.
    When I had HS in the yard at the Portland yacht club , she was surrounded by FG TS boats.
    And she could also be seen from the street , looking over the lawns.
    Lots of people used to come down to the fence , just to gaze at her (not the others) . Its good for the ego.
    Trolling , I used to have people follow me up and down the breakwater , along the coast , and back again.
    Also good for the ego.
    I have 2 sons that appreciate her , but seem to be too busy carving out their own lives , to sail.
    The rest of the family are scared of her , or want a big fast bit of tupperware.
    But , my experience is that damn , I caught a hell of a lot of fish with her , mostly trolling under sail.
    So , I figure a TC22 would be just as slippery , or more so , and a bit of sail , kept up with a bit of electric , would keep her at trolling speed a lot of the time.
    Cheat on the tacks , ease on a tad of electric , but just keep it quiet , and efficient.
    I figure , hell , the TC 22 even has winches , it has less sail area , I should be able to make a reasonable job of sailing her , with a bit of cheating , at trolling speed , even arthritic , and with crook shoulders.
    So , the concept is good.
    But the interior space in the cabin , is not , unless you are out on your own.
    If I had grandkids on board , that setup wouldn't work.
    Les went in to great detail , of the experience (thanks Les).
    Great on your own , not good for families.
    And it would have enough diesel power to troll in to the wind , if needs be.
    I still think Tad could set her up for hybrid , and get much more cabin space in the deal.
    And in ply/epoxy.
    And yes , I hope I don't finish up like the old Italian , his sad eyes , and caress of HS told the story.
    I just want to find an appropriate boat to go out with.
    I hope HS isn't the end.
    Incidently , I have someone interested in buying her.
    Regards Rob J.

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    These shots are a better view of the hull finish and some details. The keel rub strip is continuous from stem to stern, cut from a 3" wide flat bar, so it had enough meat to go around the centerboard slot, drilled and countersunk, then polished up. The laps all have the same radius on the fillets and plank edges, etc., etc., etc. She looked good in the bight sunlight, which is the way I judge a boat. They all look good in the shed with limited light, but the sun will reveal any imperfections, pretty quick. Bending in that garboard along the stem was a pain in the butt. This one wasn't too bad looking in the end. BTW, it's not "cheating" if you don't get caught . . .
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    Its a very pretty boat alright PAR , and I'd say strong , too .
    Yes , I'll freely admit , I "cheated" a lot when tacking , on my own , particularly when she had a dirty bottom.
    I couldn't let my fans down .
    Electric would be so much easier , and quieter.
    Whenever , or most times when I got a bite I turned back in to the fish , and then had to tack to keep up momentum.
    I was busier than a one armed paper hanger.
    But if I was just moving , I'd keep the same heading , and just haul the fish in.
    I've sent another email to Tad , see what he thinks about a Hybrid.
    Regards Rob J.

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    That's beautiful Paul.
    Alan J

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    Thanks, it turned out okay . . .

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