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30th May 2017, 01:26 AM #16
but ...
according to https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/..._b.aspx#anc_11
The Gross Trailer Mass, (in this case 1900 kg) must be distributed "approximately uniformly distributed over the load bearing area" -- it the boat and trailer is a concentrated load resting where the boat trailer's wheels are sitting.
BTW, I think by making the modifications he has, GrumpyJ's "protagonist" has become the manufacturer and needs to get a new compliance plate for the trailer.regards from Alberta, Canada
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30th May 2017, 09:03 AM #17Senior Member
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While i don't think this is the greatest idea, i do have concern with the bow creating a lift during high speeds, abit it wouldn't be huge, but it may cause a little issue with reducing the tower weight and make the trailer a little unstable.
As for the law, as long as the trailer is under its weight limit, the tow ball weight is under the vehicle manufactures specs and it is a secured load.
Then he is fine, a trailer is a trailer, regardless if it set up as a camper trailer, I've seen these with Quad bikes on top.
Is it safe, i don't believe it is,
yes the majority of the weight is low, but if a strap snaps or high winds, i just see an accident waiting to happen
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30th May 2017, 10:36 AM #18SENIOR MEMBER
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30th May 2017, 11:38 AM #19
How many cops will there be between his home and destination?
Because I'd wager that's how many times he is going to be pulled up.
Those 30 minute stops are going to add a lot of time to the trip....
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30th May 2017, 03:57 PM #20GOLD MEMBER
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30th May 2017, 05:08 PM #21
most probably non compliance with the trailer compliance plate.
The camper is a single level trailer with a camper body -- there may even be a specific spec for such a configuration.
what we have in the example is a double deck trailer -- think double deck car carrier.
it would be legal if the load were approximately evenly distributed and the compliance plate described the trailer as "double deck".
but the boat load is very much concentrated at the rear of the trailer, and who knows what compromises have been made when creating the tie down points.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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30th May 2017, 05:25 PM #22
Legal? Do the cops care about legal wrt some minor code violation/whatever? Or what looks safe?
They will pull this dude up every single time.
He will argue and pout about Section Blah of Whatever Code, but the cop will eyeball it and assess if its safe for other road users and/or the occupants (i.e. said bogans kids who will be killed in the inevitable rollover). He'll issue the fine and let the courts sort it out.... or force you to wait for 45 minutes until the inspector comes.
Even if he has a Magic Pass signed by Her Majesty, he's still going to get pulled over every single time.
Seriously, if you were a plod in the patrol car and saw this go past, your first thought would be this bloke is a bit of a tool/mental/idiot.... wouldn't it?
Imagine being behind it on the highway!
edit: I saw this video a while back and this guys setup reminded me of how easily a disaster strikes:
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30th May 2017, 05:33 PM #23GOLD MEMBER
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The cops won't pull you over without knowing what you have done wrong. what are they gonna do? pull you over and ask you to wait here while they send a photo back to headquarters to have them figure out what wrong was committed. That's a good way to get sacked for incompetence.
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30th May 2017, 05:34 PM #24
I would dread being behind him on any road, at any speed, I would also be too scared to pass. I'd probably pull over and wait a while and hope I didn't see him again.
To grow old is inevitable.... To grow up is optional
Confidence, the feeling you have before you fully understand the situation.
What could possibly go wrong.
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30th May 2017, 05:37 PM #25Senior Member
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woodpixel,
you nailed it, it may be legal, but any cop is going to think and pull him over.
I've been behind many clowns with trailers that are poorly packed or just dangerous, if i can pass, i do, if not i pull off the road and make an excuse to get a coffee.
People should get a class in commonsense before they are allowed to use a trailer, same goes for load distribution and correct tie down procedures.
The amount of people that use sun damaged cheap 50kg rated ratchet straps is also unbelievable, these things snap, by just looking at them
Buy proper WIL rated straps and keep them dry and out of the sun.
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30th May 2017, 05:37 PM #26To grow old is inevitable.... To grow up is optional
Confidence, the feeling you have before you fully understand the situation.
What could possibly go wrong.
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30th May 2017, 06:03 PM #27
Au contraire mon ami!
As a maker of many street machines over the years I can tell you they will pull you over instantly without exception. Every. Single. Time.
I've made cars that are legal height wise and noise wise and they were pulled over continuously so they could test it. Open the bonet, have to explain the super charger (frown, furrow, hmmm), the blow off valves on the turbos, tints on the windows, show me the engineering certs please.... getting the compliance notice for Yet Another Test for noise.
Mate, the RTA at Artarmon knew me so well it was rubber stamped.
I've learned my lessons and now do "sleepers". Mr Plod isn't out to help you, he's out to arrest you.
Interestingly, the harassment stopped when I was about 40. Maybe us old farts aren't as reckless as the yoofs. Maybe the relentless active spying of their in-car-instant-camera-computers now show your status to them in real time?
While I am in no way an engineer, or a cop, or even especially aware of the R+R of trailers, etc, I do know that with cars that cops are basically ignorant of every regulation under the sun. They simply don't care about your excuses or acting like a lawyer when they pull you over, they will just issue you with a fine or slap on a defect notice. Yes, they used to call inspectors. I was pinged out at the Sydney airport near the golf course continuously.
If you get a defect notice you aren't going anywhere with it, not even home.
I dont think the cops give a hoot about "incompetence". They will pull you over, issue the fine/defect and let the system sort it out. The converse is - if this bloke rolls this horror and two kids are killed, imagine the media baying for blood over "why wasn't this disaster pulled over long ago". The average dude would look at it and wager rightly that its a disaster waiting to happen, regardless of legality.
My last thoughts are ones of practicality! Imagine how much work there is in getting that up/down, securing those ramps and getting it all strapped down. Gods, the work! Pulling up at night would need a lot of space and time.
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30th May 2017, 08:15 PM #28
Yeah that thing looks scary to me. If I saw him on the road I'd pull over and let him get as far away as possible. Doesn't take much for things to go wrong especially at speed on country roads.
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30th May 2017, 09:14 PM #29
And no body has mentioned that as the outboard motor overhangs the rear of the camper trailer, the load is now too long. (At least in Victoria.)
It can not be beyond the rear of the trailer, the rear over hang.
http://file:///C:/Users/micha/Downlo...InVictoria.pdf
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