Thread: to burqa or not to burqa

Originally Posted by hughie

I suspect for most Aussies assimilation is the name of the game and if you cant or wont assimilate then....cop the flack on the chin.

The problem is that the concept or process, if you want to call it that, of assimilation has been watered down and there is in current society a tendency not to assimilate. There has unfortunately become a process of bringing along the home country's baggage and in essence demanding that this accepted and we must do the assimilation. A sort of backward process actually.

I firmly do not believe in any religion or religous leader or the easter bunny ...but Santa is one dude who I have learnt to believ ein cause then I get pressents!

Anyhoo ..... I firmly believe the right for people to dress as they see fit if they believe in some unseen leader/god/dess etc etc if they so choose to.

My only stipulation to this is so long as that dress does not offend the greater public.

Not being able to see someones eys/face/etc is NOT offensive ..... just uncomfortable for some people.

I think if banks have such an issue about the security issue then they should get people to walk through metal detectors or somesuch and NOT just for those who are wearing burqas ... should be for every one because I think you will find statistics are that a majority of bank robberies and other violent hold ups are conducted by people wearing easy to get rid of desguises such as bunny rabit masks etc not clumsy wads and eads of cloth that actually cut down the ak robbers vision as well as being hard to dispose of once out and running in the street.

I say ban all masks that may just possibly hide ones features, no sunglassesses allowed because we can not identify your eye colour, men are not allowed to wear beards due to fact they hide facial features and can be shaved therefore changing your apearence, by the way .... I also think we should all wear the same hair style, have the same colour hair etc etc etc etc ......


maybe we should all wear uniforms and wear electronic ID tags with GPS trackers and such so that big brother can keep tabs on us .....

oh ... wait ... were we just talking about a burqa wern't we??????

I find teens wearing hoodies more threatening than Muslim women wearing burqas.

The problem is that the concept or process, if you want to call it that, of assimilation has been watered down and there is in current society a tendency not to assimilate. There has unfortunately become a process of bringing along the home country's baggage and in essence demanding that this accepted and we must do the assimilation. A sort of backward process a

I tend to agree, multiculturalism has not been the best political policy I have seen.
Its seems 'they' those in power have among other things endeavored to try and please everybody re immigrants etc and have pleased none.

Originally Posted by kiwigeo

I find teens wearing hoodies more threatening than Muslim women wearing burqas.

I agree wholeheartedly with this particular statement.

Well Said!!!

Originally Posted by kiwigeo

I find teens wearing hoodies more threatening than Muslim women wearing burqas.

Until they have 5kg of plastic explosive strapped to them

Originally Posted by two fingers

Until they have 5kg of plastic explosive strapped to them

I have no such worries. I find women in burqas no more threatening than the automatic teller machines I mentioned earlier. What I dislike is the ideology of which the burqa is an outward symbol.
If it were just a fashion statement it wouldn't matter to me because in the course of things it would be ephemeral and harmless.
However it can be seen to symbolise an extreme interpretation of a particular religion one which appears to view women as second-class and through this view distorts the attitude of its young (and presumably older) men to women who do not comply with the strict dress code.
This is without even bringing in elements such as jihad and fatwah.
As such it seems to be at odds with our notion of liberal society. We may not always manage to live in a civilised way but at least we strive for equality, not to define differences.
Jim

I don't actually know why Muslim women wear the burqa, or the hijab (sp?). I don't know what it symbolizes within their religion. I am not across the history of the wearing, or not, of these things within Islam apart from what I've heard on the radio.

I've never asked a Muslim woman what it means, or what it means to her to wear it - within her culture, within her religion and within our society.

I'm looking forward to that conversation.
Paul

Originally Posted by paulsmithx

I don't actually know why Muslim women wear the burqa, or the hijab (sp?). I don't know what it symbolizes within their religion. I am not across the history of the wearing, or not, of these things within Islam apart from what I've heard on the radio.

I've never asked a Muslim woman what it means, or what it means to her to wear it - within her culture, within her religion and within our society.

I'm looking forward to that conversation.
Paul

Hmmm Suggest you do a little google on niqab and hijab.
From my limited understanding matters to do with women of the Islamic faith not presenting a provocative appearance, that is dress with out attracting attention. Note very loose definition.

Originally Posted by two fingers

Until they have 5kg of plastic explosive strapped to them

This may be more of a problem if you have a rotation in the sand pit.

I've been an athiest all my life, but pastafarianism is looking like a tasty option.

As for religeous dress/practice/whatever I think it's simple. In public spaces if it complies with the law of the land, and on private land whatever the owner says goes.

Islam isn't the problem, fundamentalism is. Christian fundamentaists do tremendous evil in this world, it's just that western media don't report it at all, or else misrepresent it. You should try reading some of the dali lama's stuff. You think the pope's conservative ? not even close...

It's all media spin.

Oh and science is just another belief system. Yeah it's the one I embrace, but I'm old enough and ugly enough to realise I'm not always right. (but don't tell anyone I said that)

Originally Posted by cultana

The problem is that the concept or process, if you want to call it that, of assimilation has been watered down and there is in current society a tendency not to assimilate. There has unfortunately become a process of bringing along the home country's baggage and in essence demanding that this accepted and we must do the assimilation. A sort of backward process actually.

I don't think this is a current tendency it's been a tendency for a long time. Just look at America where they still hang on to their ethnic backgrounds. Ooops hang on that's because Americans don't have an identitiy.

Some in the US carried this so far as to put money into collection tins paraded at Irish pubs to fund the IRA terrorists despite the fact they had never been to Ireland nor understood the conflict and were 20th generation "Irish" Americans.... ironic that terrorism is now their number one fear.

HH.

I find teens wearing hoodies more threatening than Muslim women wearing burqas.

get your own hoodie and a sinister old bloke.