Thread: Future of the Australian Electricity Market

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

...not to mention setting new standards for fugly.

Muskrat or the Cybertruck?

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

How would the battery go with the amperage required for a welder?

A 240V 15A (3.6kW) welder might output 200A of welding current but it wont be at 240V, but more like 18V. That's what a welder does - it (the transformer and the arc) converts 250/15 into 18/200.

It will be a significant draw on the car battery but the battery is designed for much large current draws.

On a flat smooth road with no wind, my EV uses about 165 W/km which at 100 km/hr means it burns 16.5kW/hr for about 4 hours this means the battery delivers 16.5 kW continuously which at 400V is 41A continuous, 11kW through a 240V port is going to be a doddle for the bigger battery that will be in the CyberTruck.

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

Tesla Cybertruck - an abject lesson in what happens if the design team are too scared of their boss (Mr Muskrat in this case) to pipe up and say "I wouldn't do that if I were you". Almost unmanufacturable (by Tesla's own admission), not to mention setting new standards for fugly. The perfect storm.

With 1.9 million preorders at US$400 a pop that's a free loan of US$760 million for Mr Muskrat. I'd say he laughing all the way to the bank. OK, how many of those orders are going to be actually filled is another question. The latest is that a couple of hundred will be finally available at the end of this month, but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't like Mr Muskrat either but I reckon he (or rather his team) have done more to push EV development than anyone else on the planet so at least I'll give him that.

As for ugly, i call it different, and certainly no uglier that most oversize US pickups.

As the advertisement says "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Get it out - with Optrex Eye Drops"....

I'll be waiting for the heavily armed rednecks in the US to start taking pot shots at passing Tesla Cybertrucks to see just how "bulletproof" they really are.

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

... not to mention setting new standards for fugly. ....

Is it ugly, or just weird and impractical?

Overall, a bit......Musky??

He's overlooked the fact that most people want to look cool driving their cars/trucks, not dorky. The last stainless steel car with unpainted panels I can remember was the DeLorean, and we know how well that went !

There are quite a few sensible and practical EV utes close to hitting the market (not sure if we'll ever see the Rivian R1 ute here), but Elon will have the "kooky" market segment all to himself.

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

Overall, a bit......Musky??

He's overlooked the fact that most people want to look cool driving their cars/trucks, not dorky. The last stainless steel car with unpainted panels I can remember was the DeLorean, and we know how well that went !

Deloreans were rated as in the top 50 worst cars ever made but interestingly of the 9500 Deloreans built in teh early 1980s some 6500 were still on the road in 2015.

DeLorean lacked many of the advantages that Mr Musk has with his SS approach. These days SS is 1/10th of the price it was back in the 1980's. Mr Musk also buys it by the 10,000 ton lots for his space X rockets so he get it even cheaper. The Delorean also had a 0-60 mph of between 8.5 and 10.5s the Cybertruck will be between <3 and 4 secs so red necks wont be able to contain themselves one they get creamed at the lights a few times by these things.

The Delorean gullwing doors lives on in other higher end sports cars and the Tesla Model X and while these doors are not my cup of tea either these vehicles are still selling reasonably well.

Originally Posted by BobL

The Delorean gullwing doors lives on in other higher end sports cars and the Tesla Model X and while these doors are not my cup of tea either these vehicles are still selling reasonably well.

Bob

Interestingly, the gullwing door, as first seen on the Mercedes 300SL, was introduced (back in 1954!) because conventional doors would have lacked sufficient rigidity in that chassis design. I don't know how they got around the issue a few years later with the roadster. With the gullwings, it is important not to park too close to a wall or even another vehicle if you intend alighting from the vehicle.

Having said that, they do look pretty cool.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Bob

Interestingly, the gullwing door, as first seen on the Mercedes 300SL, was introduced (back in 1954!) because conventional doors would have lacked sufficient rigidity in that chassis design. I don't know how they got around the issue a few years later with the roadster. With the gullwings, it is important not to park too close to a wall or even another vehicle if you intend alighting from the vehicle.

Having said that, they do look pretty cool.

Regards
Paul

The Tesla Model X gull (or Falcon) wing doors are a marvel of engineering.
They have a bunch of sensors that prevent them opening or closing, if stuff is in the way and they significantly reduce rain ingress onto seats when getting i/out of the vehicle.
Check this out
Model X Falcon Wing Door Demo - YouTube
Suggest Turning the sound off as the wind noise is awful in that video.

Originally Posted by BobL

Model X Falcon Wing Door Demo - YouTube

That's very impressive. I wish Muskrat could be closed off that easily.

Marvel of engineering they may be, but: Here's What Makes The Tesla Model X So Unreliable

A solution to a problem that didn't exist? I note that total sales of Model X are tiny in comparison to the better Tesla products, like your Model Y.

Some have questioned why they still bother making Model S and Model X, when Model 3 and Model Y are where the action is.

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

Marvel of engineering they may be, but: Here's What Makes The Tesla Model X So Unreliable

A solution to a problem that didn't exist? I note that total sales of Model X are tiny in comparison to the better Tesla products, like your Model Y.

Some have questioned why they still bother making Model S and Model X, when Model 3 and Model Y are where the action is.

The S and X are quite a bit more (2.25X) expensive than the 3 and Y models but they have a lot more room and they have the ludicrous performance (sub 2s 0-60mph for the S.)

They also don't import the S and X into some countries like Australia.
I would have considered getting a basic level X if they were available here.

The other very important reason models S and X are made is so mr Musk can claim he sells S3XY CARS.
A is likely to be a sub $40k compact currently being designed
R is the Roadster.
The second S is the Semitrailer.
Yes he's a nutter but he's a nutter laughing all the way to the banks.

Originally Posted by BobL

The other very important reason models S and X are made is so mr Musk can claim he sells S3XY CARS.
A is likely to be a sub $40k compact currently being designed
R is the Roadster.
The second S is the Semitrailer.
Yes he's a nutter but he's a nutter laughing all the way to the banks.

I hesitate to ask given who we are talking about, but what is the "C" for?

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

I hesitate to ask given who we are talking about, but what is the "C" for?

S = Model S https://www.tesla.com/models
E = https://www.tesla.com/en_au/model3 was going to be model E but he desired that to messy things up and made it model 3. Something about the E-type Jag name
X = Model X https://www.tesla.com/modelx
Y = https://www.tesla.com/en_au/modely

C = Cybertruck https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck
A = supposedly the next sub AUS$40K vehicle
R = Roadster , https://www.tesla.com/roadster
S = Semi https://www.tesla.com/semi