Thread: Honey NOT so sweet

Originally Posted by BobL

Be careful what you blame for cancers- about 2/3rds of the increase in cancer rates simply comes about because we are living longer.
Why are cancer rates increasing? - Cancer Research UK - Science blog

If we all lived like cave people we'd have very low cancer rates but our average life span would be about 30 years.
If we lived like industrial revolution people we'd have moderate cancer levels and live on average to about 50.
Today we have a life expectancy of 80+ but because we live so long more and more cancers are bound to appear.
The human body is acquiring and fighting potential cancers everyday.
Our immune system should over successive generates adapt to increasingly fight these cancers but when most cancers happen after reproductive age this is unlikely to happen.

The other thing is medical diagnosis picks up far more than it ever did.
Prior to medical intervention many people had cancer and didn't know it and may have died from another cause before the cancer impacted their lives.
Prostrate and breast cancers are common cancers that are in this category.

These days, like I did, you go in to see a doctor for sore feet who sends you to a neurologist who finds nothing wrong with your feet but reckons it might be your back and sends you for a CAT scan to find out you have Sarcoidosis and sends you to another specialist. Multiple PET scans and blood tests later (no treatment because the specialist I chose was a minimal interventionist) it looks like the Sarcoidosis is dying away by itself. A few years ago this condition would not have been picked up and I would maybe not known I ever had it.

The article above goes on to say that cancer survival has increase from 1 in 4 , to 2 in 4 in the last 60 years. This is even more remarkable because most cancers occur in older people who are more fragile health wise and often have many other compounding health conditions.

Be careful for what you blame cancers' comment threw me Bob
Firstly it not 'rocket science' that food/water/air,the stuff that sustains life on this planet, is becoming increasing 'tainted' with known carcinogens
Not 'rocket science' to deduce that more and more people globally will develop cancer because of this fact
The population of the planet is accelerating also
And pollution is the main driver and cause of people getting sick
Governments and Industry are in denial...but that will all change soon...the average 'joe' has been misled for to long
An inconvenient truth of our modern day way of life unfortunately
Cancer rates are much higher in 'developed' countries because of industrialisation and the high use of pesticides in the agricultural sector
Not to mention motor vehicles
We are poisoning ourselves and things are going to get a hell of a lot worse into the future
Our water ways are putrid,soils are putrid and our air is putrid...but hey it's all good...no consequences
Yes the poor little bee does filter the lead...but it SHOULDN'T have too...it deserves clean air and food like the rest of us
Why are 'normalising' a bad situation?
I don't have careful for what I blame for cancers...'it's not rocket science'...MM

Originally Posted by MAPLEMAN

Be careful for what you blame cancers' comment threw me Bob
Firstly it not 'rocket science' that food/water/air,the stuff that sustains life on this planet, is becoming increasing 'tainted' with known carcinogens
Not 'rocket science' to deduce that more and more people globally will develop cancer because of this fact
The population of the planet is accelerating also
And pollution is the main driver and cause of people getting sick
Governments and Industry are in denial...but that will all change soon...the average 'joe' has been misled for to long
An inconvenient truth of our modern day way of life unfortunately
Cancer rates are much higher in 'developed' countries because of industrialisation and the high use of pesticides in the agricultural sector
Not to mention motor vehicles
We are poisoning ourselves and things are going to get a hell of a lot worse into the future
Our water ways are putrid,soils are putrid and our air is putrid...but hey it's all good...no consequences
Yes the poor little bee does filter the lead...but it SHOULDN'T have too...it deserves clean air and food like the rest of us
Why are 'normalising' a bad situation?
I don't have careful for what I blame for cancers...'it's not rocket science'...MM

It's easy to claim lots of things but all I say is "show me the research evidence" for your claims about causes of cancer.

Originally Posted by MAPLEMAN

Cancer rates are much higher in 'developed' countries because of industrialisation and the high use of pesticides in the agricultural sector

While industrialisation and pesticides are important issues, Cancer Researchers suggest we should firstly be looking at lifestyle choices which they say cause 1/3rd of all cancers.
While Australia and the US are near the top for cancer rates, Japan has amongst the world's lowest rate yet would be in the top 10 industrialised countries..
Fatter, lazier, couch potatoes, that eat crap will breed cancer faster than blowflies breed on a dead fish.

Originally Posted by BobL

It's easy to claim lots of things but all I say is "show me the research evidence" for your claims about causes of cancer.

Breathing polluted air,eating polluted food ISN'T a lifestyle choice Bob
You know what Bob...I wouldn't TRUST the scientific community as far as I could throw them mate!
Why?
Because they are OFTEN get it wrong
You want to be careful quoting stuff too Bob...you are venturing close to plagiarism I.M.O
I don't need to show you 'research evidence' Bob to prove that humans have a major health problem looming because of our dirty and irresponsible habits
Anyway,this is a mere thread NOT a thesis !
Please refrain from insulting my intelligence...MM

My wife has cancer. Bit late to start worrying and arguing about what causes it. More important to get on with treating it. Even some of the the Pharaohs showed cancer symptoms when examined. Guess that means it isn't a new thing.
Avoid the obvious is about as good as we can do for ourselves at present. God's speed to the researches in both fields is what I say.

Originally Posted by MAPLEMAN

Breathing polluted air,eating polluted food ISN'T a lifestyle choice Bob

I'm not saying it is but that is not the only cause of our problems.

First thing is no matter how pollutant free food is, folks that have a poor diet (whether its lack of nutritious food in one country OR too much fast food in another) and do little or no exercise are much more likely to develop cancers. That's a fact.

It is interesting to look at reasons why pollution happens - I reckon most of these reasons are lifestyle choices made by first world consumers
People that smoke or drink alcohol to excess - both lead to cancers- that's a lifestyle choice in my book.
Folks that drive oversize vehicles or live in oversize houses when a much smaller vehicle or home will suffice - that's a lifestyle choice.
People who turn over their furniture on a yearly basis and buy all manner of crap from large stores - that's life style.
Plastic in the ocean - that's a choice made by consumers.

People should start look at rampant consumerism as much as anything else as to why we are fouling our planet.

We all could lead lives that are better for ourselves and the whole environment. ALL of it, on every level.

We should all be placing a premium on a pristine natural environment free of our pollutants and wastes.

We all have only this one planet and it seems to me that we are severely fouling our own nests.

Interesting Article about Beijing air pollution reduction here
Beijing sees dramatic reduction in air pollution but residents wonder if the change is sustainable - Environment News - ABC News

The Chinese Authorities are talking about getting PM2.5 down to an annual average of <60 ug/m^3 and they now have it at 58 ug/m^3
In 2013 it was 85 ug/m^3

All Australian major capital cities have between 7 and 8 ug/m^3 as their annual PM2.5 average.

For the Chinese to achieve that reduction, amongst a number of changes to factory operations, some "life style changes" were applied by restricting coal for heating sales to villages surrounding Beijing. Luckily they had a relatively warm winter period in 2017.

Beijing is far from the worst city in china with some 10 cities in China having higher levels
World wide there are 50 cities, mainly from India and the middle east, that are worse than Beijing.
A city in Iran tops the list at 217 ug/m^3.

What do your outdoor CO₂ levels run Bob?

Originally Posted by BobL

Interesting Article about Beijing air pollution reduction here
Beijing sees dramatic reduction in air pollution but residents wonder if the change is sustainable - Environment News - ABC News

The Chinese Authorities are talking about getting PM2.5 down to an annual average of <60 ug/m^3 and they now have it at 58 ug/m^3
In 2013 it was 85 ug/m^3

All Australian major capital cities have between 7 and 8 ug/m^3 as their annual PM2.5 average.

Beijing is far from the worst city in china with some 10 cities in China having higher levels
World wide there are 50 cities, mainly from India and the middle east, that are worse than Beijing.
A city in Iran tops the list at 217 ug/m^3.

are you sure it's a city in Iran and not New Delhi New Delhi: Off-the-scale pollution prompts public health emergency, school closures - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Originally Posted by ian

are you sure it's a city in Iran and not New Delhi New Delhi: Off-the-scale pollution prompts public health emergency, school closures - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Dehli is only #10 in the world (122 ug/m^3) annual average, but sometimes does have days where it gets up to 500 ug/m^3
There are two other Indian cities with annual averages of 144 and 149 ug/m^3

What do your outdoor CO

₂ levels run Bob?

I don't know. There are no publicly accessible CO2 monitors that I know of around here.

New Delhi...what a sad,sad mess ...this is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
Fouling their own nest alright
Wonder what their honey contains? ...MM

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Kolkata is another TOXIC city in India,of which there are quite a few...MM