Thread: Lance Armstrong....

LA cheated and screwed around alot of people but the way people go on you'd think he was the only pro cyclist who's doped? Even all time heroes such as Eddy Merckx have been caught doping (3 positive tests in the 60's/70's in Eddies case) long before Armstrong appeared on the scene. The Armstrong case is just a small part of a bigger picture.

When the UCI decided to strip Armstrong of his 7 TdeF titles has anyone asked why the yellow jersey wasnt awarded to any of the runners up? Its because all the runners up (eg Contador) have also been busted for doping.

Look if he wins a couple of TDF and quietly go away then he would probably get away with it. But to do it 7 times and screw everyone against him makes him a well deserved No. 1 target.

Your "Everyone cheats" argument is a bit out dated. Can you tell me for sure that there is no one honest rider on the TDF? No ever one? The truth is he is the worst of the cheats, so why wouldn't they go after him. You catch the big fish first then worry about the small ones later. Isn't that logical?

And please don't use the term hero so lightly. Superman and spiderman are heroes, not Lance Armstrong.

Originally Posted by Wongo

Look if he wins a couple of TDF and quietly go away then he would probably get away with it. But to do it 7 times and screw everyone against him makes him a well deserved No. 1 target.

Your "Everyone cheats" argument is a bit out dated. Can you tell me for sure that there is no one honest rider on the TDF? No ever one? The truth is he is the worst of the cheats, so why wouldn't they go after him. You catch the big fish first then worry about the small ones later. Isn't that logical?

Agree with you 100% but youre missing my message....LA is just part of a bigger problem within the pro cycling game.

Call me a cynic but busting Armstrong wont result in the huge changes everyone is talking about. Tonight on the Channel 9 news we hear of some riders in the Tour Down Under refusing to comment on the LA/Oprah interview for fear of being chucked out of their teams (its called bullying in some circles). Its obvious their team managers have threatened them with expulsion if they talk about pro cycling's biggest problem. How can you hope to deal with doping within the ranks of pro cycling if people arent being permitted to talk about the problem??

Originally Posted by Wongo

And please don't use the term hero so lightly. Superman and spiderman are heroes, not Lance Armstrong.

I was actually referring to Eddie Merckx as a hero not LA.

still not a hero ....heros put their lives at risk to save others not play sport and win.

Pete

Originally Posted by kiwigeo

I was actually referring to Eddie Merckx as a hero not LA.

Understand. I do not know much about him but I can guess that he was a bike rider.

The Opra interview was pathetic. LA did not answer the pathetic questions put to him fully. He did not apologise to those genuine riders he cheated out of finishes.Oprah asked questions that included the answers.The whole exercise was pathetic. When he fronts up to answer questions on oath to a responsible body then we might find out the true story.Two losers competing for ratings........

Originally Posted by Homeleigh

The Opra interview was pathetic. LA did not answer the pathetic questions put to him fully. He did not apologise to those genuine riders he cheated out of finishes.Oprah asked questions that included the answers.The whole exercise was pathetic. When he fronts up to answer questions on oath to a responsible body then we might find out the true story.Two losers competing for ratings........

He said very little in the interview and it meant even less.

I would be genuinely interested to hear the whole story. How everything worked, including how the UCI comes into it. I don't think we ever really will though. Too many of the same people are still in charge.

Are we there yet?

Cheers Michael

he confessed, i think thats enough, details mean very little and probably wouldn't add to the details that others haven't already elaborated on.

one one hand we have the greatest drug cheat in sports history

who built a foundation for cancer awareness based on lies
ruined careers and lives by suing anyone who dared question his doping,

and whilst i don't think he is after or even cares if we accept his confession, I do believe he is trying to do enough to make a living after this all settles down, which he will because he is a cancer survivor and special rules apply.

Drug cheats are in every sport right down to your local footy club, it should not be tolerated no second and third chances if you are a drug cheat you shoukld be finished banned from any sport this is the only way it will be stamped out.
As some one quoted at the last Olympics if all competetors had to be drug tested half would board the plane and go home without competing As Lance Armstrong he got what he deserved unfortunately though, I would not write him off just yet

He still has his supporters but then again Bike riding , dressing up in lycra , winging about cars not giving you road space , ignoring every road rule ( stop signs, traffic lights , crossings etc ) and now wondering why it has cheats and doppers as the heroes and role models , ..... you want excercise go for a walk or have ride the town bike, freedom of the road buy a propper bike

I thought Phil Liggets comments were interesting as well. LA was there to win so he did what it took. That he shows no contrition doesn't surprise me. We have had a little peek into the mind of a very high achiever, other very high achievers probably aren't that different as personalities.