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    Default I need to get a grip on my Vices

    Recently I've become more and more interested in tool making.
    Notably of late ,was one saw I was making .
    The most notably point of making the saw ,was my very ,very basic holding device, it did serve a purpose.

    But it needs to become fire wood now, we're done!!!
    For carving ,filling ,sanding the handle .
    For such a little piece of timber, there's quite a lot of that going on.
    But I think I need something more ,substantial than 90/45 clamped in my bench vice.
    Key attributes I want ,are I want to make/build it.
    Not too interested in buying anything like a carving vice extra.
    I want to be able to clamp a piece on and move it quickly or change it easily.
    Or even tilt it.
    I was thinking ,vice jaws of some sort with a cam action of some sort ??
    But I'm not attached to that ,if I hear of better option.
    It must be some sort of clamping vice thingy
    I don't want a screw chuck tho.
    I want to mount it to my bench at a height that I can sit or stand with it around shoulder height.

    I know that seems high, but it seems comfortable and I'm not trying to push a number 7 Stanley over some red gum here.
    It's more controlled detail work.
    It must be very stiff nothing worse in my mind ,then knowing your work piece is moving around on you when your trying to take slither of with chisel.

    With my 90/45 I was using a C clamp a big pain in the behind.
    Especially considering I dropped my last saw handle and heard the very uncomfortable noise of timber splintering very close to finishing it.(and created even more new rude words lol)
    I've seen quite a few pics with Uncle/Aunty Google.
    But I was wanting some ideas, approaches from the brain train.
    Maybe something you have or seen or used
    Mostly ,this will be for working generally flat pieces like saw handles, plane totes extra.
    But not totally flat of course.
    They do have rounds and curves.

    Thanks in advance
    Matt

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    Just made myself a shave horse, I had in mind having a shorter bridge on hand for it, with the sole intention of using it to shape saw handles. one plus is I get to sit down while working.

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    Thanks shedbound
    Any pics ??

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    Yes Matt, I started a thread that includes the build. Hope this is the link? a day in the shed with the kids. Its a bit further along, I will update the thread in the next couple of days.

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    Matt

    I'm not clear on how much you want to spend.

    I may have shown some of this before to you so apologies if I am repeating myself. This is the side vice on my bench. It is both removable and adjustable in width. It is also adjustable in depth. It is based on just two pipe clamps: The sort you use on 3/4" pipe threaded at the end.

    Workbench 001.jpgWorkbench 005.jpgworkbench and clamps 001.jpgworkbench and clamps 003.jpgworkbench and clamps 004.jpgworkbench and clamps 005.jpgworkbench and clamps 007.jpgworkbench and clamps 008.jpg

    The first pic shows the variable position rail that supports work along the whole length. It uses the tail part of the pipe clamps with vertical pipe, while the vice itself just uses the front or screw part. The clamps can be placed in any of the holes to vary the width of the vice. It is perfect for holding my saw vice.

    This is the design I based my bench on:

    New-Fangled Workbench, Revisited - Fine Woodworking Video

    You don't have to do the long aspect of the bench, although I suspect you might find it interesting. The side part starts just after the six minute mark.

    The only thing I would do differently is to use new or at least undamaged pipe. Stilsons had made their mark on my recycled pipe and put them out of round: That is not conducive to easy sliding clamps.

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    Whatever you do, make sure it's a good one. I bought cheap vises for years and then bent or broke them several times. I finally splashed out for some Wiltons and no regrets. I want to upgrade the three I have now to the best grade they make, the machinists series. Wilton makes about 5 grades of vises all of which are at least really good quality. The first two ranks are made using 65,000 PSI ductile iron (I think). The lower ranks are made with 35,000 PSI material. I've got an 8" 3rd rank, a 6.5" second rank and a portable clamp on 3.5" third rank. The 8" gets the most use and it lives outside, it's the one I use to make saw handles. They're more expensive than other vises but worth it.
    Innovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.

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    Seems I've led all you guys along my apologies.
    But I really appreciated all the replies lots of good ideas.
    I've stolen this pic from two lawyers website



    This is very loosely what I have in mind.
    Tho I think I've figured out how I will have mine swivel as well.
    Basically so far I'm thinking a block of 100mm square timber(possible Cypress pine)turned in to large vice jaws about 300 mm high able to swivel.
    Think a chunk of wood split through the middle hinged and vice screw( does that make sense)
    Clamped on the the edge of my bench or even clamped in to my face vice on my work bench.
    When I finish the top of my bench I post pics
    But my bench is heavy nearly 3 meters long
    And is not .......... moving easily.

    Hope that clarifies my rambling thoughts [emoji1]

    Cheers Matt

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    I would love one of these
    It's not going to happen tho for quite long time.

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    Now you've given me some (more) ideas .

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    Matt

    Do you remember those ideas you gave me?

    I came across this vice on Ebay a little while back and was very tempted, but I realised just in time that it was not really wide enough at 50mm to support a handle securely so I didn't buy it.

    Kit vice 3.jpgKit vice.jpg

    However I thought I could fabricate something along the same lines.

    Handle vice 001.jpgHandle vice 002.jpgHandle vice 003.jpgHandle vice 004.jpg

    This one is 100mm wide and not quite finished. I have to cit off the excess on the threaded rod and the pin on the hinge. I overdid the bending of the steel which is why the timber is there. although as luck would have it, that is more forgiving. There is some old leather on the timber to aid the grip.

    But it doesn't swivel or sand the handles itself .

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    Interesting Paul, but I would have to develop some balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Matt

    Do you remember those ideas you gave me?

    I came across this vice on Ebay a little while back and was very tempted, but I realised just in time that it was not really wide enough at 50mm to support a handle securely so I didn't buy it.

    Kit vice 3.jpgKit vice.jpg

    However I thought I could fabricate something along the same lines.

    Handle vice 001.jpgHandle vice 002.jpgHandle vice 003.jpgHandle vice 004.jpg

    This one is 100mm wide and not quite finished. I have to cit off the excess on the threaded rod and the pin on the hinge. I overdid the bending of the steel which is why the timber is there. although as luck would have it, that is more forgiving. There is some old leather on the timber to aid the grip.

    But it doesn't swivel or sand the handles itself .

    Regards
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    Paul,
    I do remember that ,yes just before winter hit and I've done nothing.
    Great looking ,vice Paul ,how are you finding it.?
    One question ,the one from eBay is red
    Yours is red ?
    The one Paul linked to is sort of what I'm thinking.
    Just not sure how to tell Sally ,I'm of to buy some. Balls.

    Gutless Matt lol

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    I gotta read this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Paul,
    I do remember that ,yes just before winter hit and I've done nothing.
    Great looking ,vice Paul ,how are you finding it.?
    One question ,the one from eBay is red
    Yours is red ?
    The one Paul linked to is sort of what I'm thinking.
    Just not sure how to tell Sally ,I'm of to buy some. Balls.

    Gutless Matt lol
    Matt

    I have not used it yet as I had to do some concreting today (I dislike concreting nearly as much as I dislike house painting). I quickly stuck the first handle I could find lying around for the pic. I will have to report back at a later date. The intention is for sanding and shaping with the handle horizontal. I can do that in my bench vice but there is no quick action so I have to wind it in and out too much. Also the vice seems to get in the way at times.

    Red? Well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and it just so happened I had two cans of red spray paint.

    With the vice posted by Pac Man, while I like the concept and despite my flippant remark, I have a small nagging concern that the device will "wobble" and I think that could be annoying. You may recall that I have a saw vice for sharpening with a single ball (if that were a bovine we'd call it a stag )and that suffers from exactly the same problem. I don't want to chase the handle around the bench! I think the author did mention this was version Mk2 for that very reason. Possibly he resolved the issue when he beefed up the components.

    However, I like it's aesthetics and the opportunity to have a laugh at it's expense.

    What it does mean is that I may have to give some thought to a solution.

    I'm sure that Sally will watch your purchase with interest and whatever the result will be understanding.

    Regards
    Paul
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