Thread: Well?

No fish today, thank you.

Originally Posted by Cruzi

Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke

No fish today, thank you.

The possum has been stirred, and the Kraken wakes.

Originally Posted by artme

Been doing some research on the Festool gear.

Conclusions:# great stuphph
# grossly overpriced

Are these tools really two and three times as good as the competition, based on price??

This heretic doesn't think so.

Ok, I'll bite.
yes
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yes
yes
yes

(I have 6 Festool units and each one worth every penny.)

I wont get into specifics, as I only own a Kapex - which is great, with one exception (the cutting depth adjustment is too "narrow" in its movement in my opinion, if it had anothe inch it'd be perfect)

BUT.

Your comment re 2-3x as much as its competitors is unfounded. Ok lets ignore the drills for a minute. Makita is probably the only serious competitor in terms of saws (both track and drop) and their products aren't that much cheaper (20% maybe), with a 1 year warranty....of course you get done in the eye for the add ons, but hey no one else makes a system like it so they can charge what they want. Warranty is important IMHO.

I'm not familar with the routers, but given their ability to mould into the "system" its worth the extra I think.

Dust extractions seem on par with its competitor i.e. Rupes

BTW - anyone know is there is an upcoming Festool "sale"? I'll be getting a TS75 in coming weeks/month.

hi elill. you must be joking when you asked about an upcoming festool sale!

from previous experience, i would predict the opposite.
every january, the festool prices seem to magically rise 5 - 7 percent.
if you want my crazy advice......buy, buy, buy!!!

if anyone can confirm what i have said, please post.

in fact last year they had 2 price rises, one in january and an other in march/april.
all up, the prices rose 10 - 15 percent within a 4 month period.

i like my festools, but sometimes i wonder who they are catering for?
rockstars or tradesmen................

regards, justin.

I'm sure the sponsor of Festool on this forum just loves someone slagging off at there grossly overpriced stuff.

If you actually put your money where your mouth is I am very sure you would be praising your decision.

Originally Posted by FRB Design

I'm sure the sponsor of Festool on this forum just loves someone slagging off at there grossly overpriced stuff.

Assuming Artme isn't trolling or flaming it might be a good question to gain insight from Festool owners.

Although I find the way questions like this a bit frustrating when phrased with emotional words like 'overpriced', 'rip-off' etc. 'More costly' might be less offensive to Festool owners, dealers, and even the manufacturer. Remember, when asking questions, there is no need to offend you are asking people to take some time out to answer you query.

Now - since I have put it out there, I will give an opinion in addition to those expressed by Festool owners. I do not see Festool as overpriced, I actually see it as good value based on my personal experience (spending my own hard earned), and based on consistent customer feedback.

Artme, please don't take offence, but I have to ask: are you really interested, or just stirring?

Originally Posted by justinmcf

hi elill. you must be joking when you asked about an upcoming festool sale!

Partly joking, partly hopeful. I got my Kapex on sale with Just Tools.....cant see that happening again.

Ok let me put it another way - anyone know of any official price rises coming soon?

frb, i reckon festool are fair game, same as any other company.

if i think they are over priced, i will be the first to say.

i find their products are highly priced, most carpenters i know, would never dream of buying festool because they are so expensive.

personally, i can justify every festool purchase, but even i find it difficult to comprehend where their pricing comes from.

i think the original poster has asked a reasonable question.

we as consumers should not have to answer to "put your money where your mouth is" compared to festool answering "put you products where your prices are".

i have nearly all products available by festool, but i can still pick issues with each and every model.

the cms is a perfect example. it is great, but is has its issues also.
for the price we pay, these issues should be sorted out long before they hit hit the shelves.

bringing the sponsor into the argument is pretty weak.
i respect anthony, he gives great advice with every post he makes.

this has nothing to do with anthony. the original statement is made towards the manufacturer, not the distributors.

regards, justin.

Very touchy lot these confess tool addicts a bit like a religion is it
Just joking I cant afford to even look at them

As usual, Anthony, a reasoned, thoughtful response.

The purchasers of Festools obviously think they are worth the money, or they would not buy them. The ones who do not buy think they are priced too high. The market always votes with its wallet.

Face it, the tools are aimed at tradies and especially tradies who need to perform their magic at the customer's site. Thus the emphasis on portability, secure and efficient tool protective storage (systainers), and excellent dust collection.

For the weekend hobbiest, Festools are perhaps not the right match. For the serious hobbiest, Festool can be a good match if one can afford the entry fee.

For the skill-challenged (like me ) Festool gives me that bit of confidence that I need to pursue building furniture. It also allows me to speed up the process, as I am a results-driven hobbiest, not a process-driven one.

So, as the OP asked (tongue-in-cheek, perhaps) is Festo worth the extra $$? I'm afraid its horses for courses and only each buyer can answer that question as it applies to their needs.

Originally Posted by justin mcf

frb, i reckon festool are fair game, same as any other company.

To assume any manufacturer is beyond constructive criticism goes with out saying.

if i think they are over priced, i will be the first to say.

I think festools prices are fair and reasonable.


i find their products are highly priced, most carpenters i know, would never dream of buying festool because they are so expensive.

I know of many chippies, sparkies, plasterers, builders and fine furniture makers who own festool gear.

personally, i can justify every festool purchase, but even i find it difficult to comprehend where their pricing comes from.

Most people can justify their purchase no matter what the brand is.
as for festools pricing structure i would say the likes of makita, panasonic, hitachi make more of a wholesale profit than festool.


i think the original poster has asked a reasonable question.

The original poster posted in a way that assumes that customers who buy festool are buying grossly overpriced overrated tools .


we as consumers should not have to answer to "put your money where your mouth is" compared to festool answering "put you products where your prices are".

Originally stated "if you actually put your money where your mouth is, i am very sure you would be praising your decision.
buy a festool item and you should be very happy, in other words you can buy with confidence.


i have nearly all products available by festool, but i can still pick issues with each and every model.

I love all of mine. However if you look hard enough you can find faults in everything.

the cms is a perfect example. It is great, but is has its issues also.
For the price we pay, these issues should be sorted out long before they hit hit the shelves.

I use my cms with in its limits and find it great.

Bringing the sponsor into the argument is pretty weak.
I respect anthony, he gives great advice with every post he makes.
This has nothing to do with anthony. The original statement is made towards the manufacturer, not the distributors.

Well im sure anthony would have responded anyway, and well done for responding in such a constructive way.
as for being directed to the manufacturer its the distributor who sells them and supplies customer relations plus back up and support.
Kind regards,

Frank.


regards, justin.

frb

On site or anywhere for that matter, 4 words win an argument. " Mine is a Festool".

I've only got one Festool at present that was purchase 2nd hand from a fellow forumite from the otherside of the continent. If I bought a new one it would now be 2nd hand also & still function the same. It's still almost like new, stows away on a shelf beautifully, shocked the carp out of me first time I used it (my 2 Ozito 1/3rd & belt sanders hung themselves in shame after they saw the Rotex150 in action).
Forgotten how much it cost but the quality still remains long after the price is forgotten & it brings a smile to my face that's it's not the Ozito.

Also name droppin has to count for something.

It'll take me a while but I will aquire a router & a Kapex.

The Rotex150 is simply awesome.