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6th July 2012, 11:49 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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BM30A mill
After a couple of months of going crazy trying to select a new mill I am maybe settling on a new H&F BM30A mill. Before everyone says better to buy old iron there isn't the choice in Perth and I am not interested in spending the hours reconditioning a machine. While I admire the work you guys do on your machines I just prefer to use them. If a really good Bridgeport appeared about now a different story but I have sold my HM45 and need to replace it fairly soon.
I have been put off the HM50 and 52 with the threads on here and the BM30A is the first of the H&F machines that is made in Taiwan. It is also their smallest single phase machine in that series. They are huge in my scale of things but I have just tiled the family room and it will fit - maybe not.
Are there any bad tales about this mill I should be aware of?Cheers,
Rod
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7th July 2012, 12:03 AM #2GOLD MEMBER
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Ok firstly they appear to have used mostly pictures of the BM-30.
Secondly have you thought about buying the BM-30 and a VSD?
Stuart
p.s. anyone know what thhat guard is bolted to?Last edited by Stustoys; 7th July 2012 at 12:05 AM. Reason: p.s.
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7th July 2012, 12:13 AM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Stuart,
Yeah I thought about a VSD and have fitted a few so they aren't a total mystery but the BM30A is a single phase so no extra expense if I buy one of those. Working on the KISS theory I reckon single phase suits me better.
Moving a machine this size is a problem but I have a pair of skids in the making thanks to the suggestions on this forum.
Like all purchases I want to be sure well doubly sure at $8k that I will get a reasonable mill.Cheers,
Rod
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7th July 2012, 12:27 AM #4
Hi Rod,
Being made in taiwan it should be a better machine than the Chinese ones. However i think some members with 960b lathes have found the same problems with low quality as the chinese ones have.
At 8k why not fly to the machinery capital (melbourne), buy a machine and get it freighted over?1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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7th July 2012, 12:28 AM #5GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Rod,
No problems, I just thought I'd run the idea past you. As long as you are aware the BM-30 has 16 speeds 80-5440rpm and the BM-30A only has 8 speeds 80-2720rpm.
2720rpm being about the correct speed for a 10mm cutter in Alum. So the extra speed might be handy if you do much work with smaller cutters.
Of course the "its only an extra $100" is never ending
I doubt the "3 phase is smoother" would matter much on a mill?
Stuart
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7th July 2012, 12:34 AM #6GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Ewan,
Very tempting to fly over but you guys would only lead a niave westerner astray.
Bad enough with the BT influence over here.
Seriously I have pondered this for months and come to the conclusion I don't have the time or inclination to rebuild a machine. My focus is building new CNC machines so time tinkering with a rebuild on a mill doesn't press my buttons.
Thanks for the suggestion.Cheers,
Rod
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7th July 2012, 12:47 AM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Stuart,
I have CNC machines that I lean to for cutting ally. With 24,000 spindle and rapid moves they are ideal for working with ally.
The lower speed is what interests me as I use a manual mill mainly with a large face cutter so both the single and three phase machines stack up fairly equal on that.
Good pick as I hadn't even noticed the speed difference of the two - never assume hey.Cheers,
Rod
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7th July 2012, 12:59 AM #8.
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Eight LARGE You and Leonie could fly to Switzerland, buy and ship something exquisite back home and still have enough left for a Toblerone or two.
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7th July 2012, 01:35 AM #9GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Bob,
My stocks and shares with SWMBO are high at the moment with all the house improvements. I have to strike quick on the mill or my mouth will wipe out all the credits in no time. Not knowing the gender like a learned fellow such as yourself I might be fooling myself too.Cheers,
Rod
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7th July 2012, 09:15 AM #10Dave J Guest
Hi Rod,
Just try to make sure the "made in Taiwan" is not advertising hype, as I am pretty sure I remember they where advertised them as Taiwanese head.
I wished I had of bought the BM20 back when I bought my HM52 as it was only around $2300 more. If I had of bought that one I would have bought the 3 phase one and fitted a VFD because of the top speed like Stuart has said..
Dave
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7th July 2012, 09:25 AM #11.
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Yes Rod, I fully understood your desire to act with some haste.
I have found out to my cost that an ill-considered comment or two can instantly unravel domestic harmony. And you would think that at my age I would have learned.
No nice second hand Bridgeports at Ron Mack's? Would you like me to send you a scanned Bridgeport catalogue as a temptation to look for something non oriental?
Bob.
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7th July 2012, 12:18 PM #12GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Dave,
You are right advertising these days is about smokes and mirrors and anything that resembles the truth is coincidence. I will ask the sales guy but he is probably well versed in the same sales pitch or doesn't know.
Hi Bob,
I have twidled the handles on a Bridgeport a few years ago and instantly fell in love. Touble is they are getting long in the tooth now and finding a good one with little wear has been a problem. Been looking all this time and nothing is coming up. Perhaps those that have them want to hold on to them. I rang Fiora and Ron Mack this week in a last ditch bid and no luck. The BM30 isn't my first choice but it is available. A machine like that should see me well into retirement.Cheers,
Rod
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7th July 2012, 01:16 PM #13GOLD MEMBER
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The easiest way to find a Bridgport is good nick is of course to buy the BM30. I assume it works that way for everyone.. or is it just me? I only bought my lathe as there was nothing around I liked second hand at the time.....of course shortly after they were everywhere. China isnt always a bad thing, in the 80's at least some Mazak lathes had casting from China, assembled in Japan with Japanese bearings.
You might want to run a tape over the travels that H&F quote in their specs sheet. From my experiance they tend to round up a little, though I guess you have limited options there might not be much point.
Anyone know what Applied or Asset would charge for freight?
Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
That is what I have concluded. Having had a manual mill for years I already miss the HM45 I sold last weekend.
I am reasonably settled on the BM30 now and just waiting for next pay packet to top the play money up to get one.Cheers,
Rod
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