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    Lenox also have a small range of snips, but maybe they aren't USA made. I came across a video of a guy testing Wiss, Midwest, Lenox and HDX (Home Depot own brand):

    http://professional-power-tool-guide...iss-lenox-hdx/

    You can skip to the 20:30 mark for the toughest test - cutting 18 gauge. He then summarises. I only watched about 7-8 minutes of it, but it seems a pretty fair comparison.

    Bad news - VERY bad news: it seems Cooper Tools have bought Wiss....and we know what happened to Nicholson files when Coopers bought them out. This probably explains Fabrique de China. If they are still making some in the USA it won't be for long. Coopers is clearly run by accountants. See here:
    http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/a.../t-104742.html

    "Outlawmws" refer to the Cooper Tools buy out near the bottom of the page.
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    Has anyone had any experience using the Erdi jewellers snips? I saw them at Masters and contemplated buying a pair for my daughter who would probably use them to cut brass and silver. I didn't buy them, not because I'm tight, but because I knew nothing about them. They did look nice though.

    https://www.masters.com.au/product/9...snips-d72-19cm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Indeed Grahame. We have to be constantly vigilant to avoid buying rubbish. It seems there are very few names that can be trusted these days, and a check is always worth it. Even "Made in xx" can't be trusted - if the cost of packaging is the most costly component then where it happens is where it's claimed to be made, and files - in particular saw files - are the most problematic that I've found.

    It's not always the vendor's fault either. A couple of years ago I had dialogue with a well known online retailer about their Grobet Suisse saw files, and they diligently went off to check with the supplier as to country of origin. They then assured me that it was Switzerland. I knew that this was bollocks after the tests were done (actually by just looking at the damn things).

    Recently I saw that they still had the same wording on the saw files page:
    "Covering all but the finest-toothed Western-style saws, this selection of files is made by Grobet of Switzerland, a firm renowned for the quality of its workmanship and materials for 200 years."

    and because some more testing was happening, and they were on my mind again, I wrote back to them and suggested they dig a bit deeper. They did so and came back to me last week saying that the files were indeed of Chinese and Indian origin (even though they are despatched from Switzerland) and that they will be deleting the range. Furthermore they are taking the supplier to task about having mislead them, and are seeking to return all stock (which will be a sizable qty I should think).


    Really, what we need to check is country of manufacture and country of materials supply, e.g. Swiss Made from Swiss steel would nail it down.
    Impressive that you managed to get Grobet to talk to you. If they truly change their supply line I think you deserve a burnt offering.

    You might cross-post this information on the saw file hardness thread to keep the thoughts together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob streeper View Post
    Impressive that you managed to get Grobet to talk to you. If they truly change their supply line I think you deserve a burnt offering.

    You might cross-post this information on the saw file hardness thread to keep the thoughts together.
    It wasn't Grobet that talked to me Rob. I was in communication with a very large online retailer - a long way north of you. They took Grobet to task. I have no doubt that Grobet will continue to put out their usual product - just not to that retailer any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Has anyone had any experience using the Erdi jewellers snips? I saw them at Masters and contemplated buying a pair for my daughter who would probably use them to cut brass and silver. I didn't buy them, not because I'm tight, but because I knew nothing about them. They did look nice though.

    https://www.masters.com.au/product/9...snips-d72-19cm

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    It seems that Bessey have bought out Erdi (who have a very good reputation, as someone mentioned before). Not sure if that's good or not. My research so far has indicated that they are still made in Germany - at this stage.....
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    Gilbows for me, always reliable. I did pick up a small pair of Protos which are pretty good and a monstrous pair of Samsons that only Samson himself could use, they are so big. But I'll always reach for the Gilbows first.

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    Nothing is sacred any more it seems. Just read that Gilbows are now known as Gilbows Irwin or v.v.
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    Immmmmm I'm getting scared like Bret says I'm going to even ask my mum if she is my mum or just re branded to
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