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9th August 2015, 10:20 PM #16
yeah owned a few Oz Fords over time (still got 2 BA utes), with the odd spattering of Holden in between.My question to a then Ford engineer (now working in China) was how come they wernt offering more models in diesel. He agreed, but of course he could'nt tell the powers to be what to do.Barring weak transmission on ser 1 BA, have had good service from XH and BA's, but they sure like the juice. The series 2 XR8 actually does better on this than the series 1 6 cyl. Now it is hampered with a steel tray verses tub on the 8, but of course the 8 has two extra mouths to feed. We wont even go into what the XH was like to fuel.All things considered tho, am not looking forward to the day when one has to trade in. Find em comfy to drive; even old boy with defective disc in back can make it fine on long trip. So far the 2x2 stuff I have driven to date has felt harsher in the ride. A high 4wd ute aint even a consideration, partially cause I cant fit one in the garage with ladders or goods up on top, let alone undercover shopping centre carparks.On with the search...........my mechanic wishes I would hurry up. Think he will be waiting a while.
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9th August 2015, 10:40 PM #17
Oh yes, my holden experiences. Damned pollies reducing the tariffs.The first was the trusty old HD. The little red 179 with bottom end knock. Taco said I was ringing 5000 out of it on the speedway, still couldnt kill it. Always a bit worried I would throw a rod out the side, which the odd one seemed to.She even survived a T-bone and subsequent roll over. Replaced a buckled rim, a slight dent in the roof, apart from that, good to go. A bit slow, but a good unit.The Kermit green (TF if memory serves me right). Got stolen when living in Sydney. Probably ended up in the bottom of the Georges river!!!Best handling car I have ever owned with the lowered suspension. The more powerful stuff would take me on the straights, but would catch up on the twisty stuff. You could tell the engine was made by a truck builder.
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I will never be the person who has everything, not when someone keeps inventing so much cool new stuff to buy.
From an early age my father taught me to wear welding gloves . "Its not to protect your hands son, its to put out the fire when u set yourself alight".
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11th August 2015, 10:10 AM #18Senior Member
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A recent trade mag, had manufacturing at no.3 still in employment, 900,000 odd, health, no.1 at 1.3m. Seems SA in for a rough trot shortly, with 8000 to get the chop in component suppliers - and the businesses classed as non-viable, maybe they can get jobs in the no 2 industry, retail, oh wait, online shopping!
Quite stunning the breadth of stuff we used to make though. Anyway, wouldn't worry too much about the cars, with refining capacity all but gone and a reserve of maybe a matter of weeks, a few hiccups in that supply chain might have us doing a fred flintstone and barney rubble impersonation.
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11th August 2015, 03:27 PM #19
What a silly statement.
I don't own a locally assembled vehicle but still wish for a local industry. Holden manufacture the commodore and Cruze. I love Commodores particularly SS and above but it's hardly going to tow my jayco expanda outback into Deau National Park.
And when it came time for my wife's new small car did I get a Cruze. No way. Worst maintenance costs of our fleet at work. We bought a corolla and its quality is amazing.
Holden and Ford have built cars for an ever diminishing market and have paid the price for it. When your marketing boils down to how many more KW the new model puts out your selling to a market from 1980.
I have every right to voice an opinion without the prerequisite of purchasing a car that doesn't suit my use or has poor quality control.
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11th August 2015, 03:51 PM #20Pink 10EE owner
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11th August 2015, 11:24 PM #21SENIOR MEMBER
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I have a Holden Rodeo 4WD flat tray utility - best ute Holden never built. Made by Isuzu in Thailand.
Just like shipping, aircraft et al - if you can't build competitive stuff, don't expect me to subsidise the inefficiencies. Heard all the arguments about preserving jobs and I frankly don't care. The jobs and money will go somewhere more productive. Nobody sheds a tear over the demise of typing pools after all.
That goes quadruple for defence related builds. There's nothing as expensive as second rate military equipment. Building more subs in Australia when we could buy/lease USA Virginia class nuke boats instead, CHEAPER, has to be one of the most stupid military spending decisions of all time. You don't build subs to keep a workforce employed, you have subs to keep your possibly hostile neighbours sleepless at night.....
I read a book on the 'defence' of Rabaul in WW2 recently - case in point being the crap planes et al we had compared to the Japanese. We paid for that in blood.
The demise of Holden doesn't even rate a crocodile tear, sorry. They didn't build cars the market wanted. The reasons are legion and irrelevant.
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12th August 2015, 12:22 AM #22GOLD MEMBER
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Hartnett's Autobiography is a fascinating read if you can find a copy, he goes right into the Holden start up and his demise within the company.
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12th August 2015, 04:29 AM #23Mechanical Butcher
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12th August 2015, 09:26 AM #24GOLD MEMBER
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I think so, it must be twenty years since I last read it.
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12th August 2015, 09:52 AM #25
I don't know too many auto manufacturers that aren't given subsidies from their respective countries. Of course these companies need to make vehicles that sell sufficient units to stay afloat.
We do need to realise that a successful economy needs at least some manufacturing. Karleen (think that's how its spelt)Pratt made an interesting comparison between Germany and Greece. Germany with at least some manufacturing and Greece with none to speak of. You need more than some tourism and agriculture to make an economy work. Im not saying there arent other forces adding to Greece's woes, but a mfr sector certainally help.
Do I even need to mention China; the comparison between the Mao era compared to now? What is the primary driver behind it?
The Hyundai story in Sth Korea is a good read.
Look things could be done better in Oz, & our general attitude needs to change, but you need tax payers and business here paying tax. Putting people and businesses out of work will hurt us dearly. Who do you think is paying for things like pensions, PBS etc...
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I will never be the person who has everything, not when someone keeps inventing so much cool new stuff to buy.
From an early age my father taught me to wear welding gloves . "Its not to protect your hands son, its to put out the fire when u set yourself alight".
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12th August 2015, 12:19 PM #26
Me too
Me too. The civilian population of Rabaul, ( New Britain was an Australian mandated territory ) were frantically wirelessing the Govt. in Canberra for help re: evacuation. They were ignored and many of them were subsequently executed by the japs , usually by chopping heads off . A freighter docked at Rabaul to load coconuts and it was hoped that it could be used for the evacuation, but the Govt. in Canberra strictly forbid anybody to get on that ship and escape . Coconuts were more important than lives Mike
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12th August 2015, 02:35 PM #28GOLD MEMBER
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Ok granted we're going a little OT here
I'm confused, given you say we shouldn't make our own, just whom in 1941-early 42 were we going to buy "good" fighters from? The poms were a little busy and Yanks didn't have any (and what they had they were either keeping or selling to the poms). I doubt anyone else with a good one would have been to keen to sell us any.
Am I missing someone?
Stuart
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