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14th March 2013, 10:03 PM #121SENIOR MEMBER
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Yes it is very pretty.
Finish at the moment is 3D primer. I'm deciding on what to do next, it really is good enough for the foundry as it is...... But I think I will but a couple of aluminium bushes in for the pins and a couple of M8 threads for de-moulding.
Should be pretty straight forward just need to make an adaptor plate for the ballbar but it is more accurate to use the laser on the lathe as it will also do tail stock alignment and straightness of travel with the same laser setup but not much point on a Chinese lathe it is just not rigid enough, if I had a Schaublin then I would spend the couple of hours in the dead of night tweaking bolts a hair turn at a time.
I asked for good quality grey iron.. I guess I will re-iterate on the day.
-Josh
PS here is a pdf of the Renishaw test results
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14th March 2013, 10:32 PM #122GOLD MEMBER
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I was thinking about spindle run out(or can the laser do that also?)
The pdf if great! going a little OT here
Does the CNC use scales, resolvers or just count steps?
Stuart
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15th March 2013, 07:27 AM #123Senior Member
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No scale or resolvers, just counting steps.
The process for painting the pattern was:
- first sand the pattern to 240grit.
- I use sandpaper glued to what ever form I need. i.e. a larger flat surface for the sides, dowel close to the radius of the inside. I make up the flat blocks from a scrap of pine with a sole of cork (from floor tiles). You can level it up quickly using some sandpaper on a flat surface. The cork has a little bit of give in it. Scotchbrite style sanding pads work well for blending in curves.
- I then used some thinned down shellac with some talcum powder in it to raise the grain and make sanding easier.
- Sand it back again
- Then I primed it. (btw: Don't use el cheapo fiddly bits "grey primer" from a large retailer. It seems to be more of a description of the colour than its use.)
- Then I used a coat of spay sealer putty.
- Any small dents etc. were filled with spot putty.
- It was then sanded back using wet and dry.
- The above three steps repeated until all grain, dents are filled, shapes flow properly.
- Followed by a final undercoat and a rub down with some fine scotchbrite abrasive pad.
Now that's pretty much the ideal process. The problem was the el cheapo primer I used. The stuff just liquified when using the primer putty and spot putty leading to all sorts of problems. So there were more cylces to rectify crazing and pitting when sanding.
Christian
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15th March 2013, 02:40 PM #124SENIOR MEMBER
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15th March 2013, 04:20 PM #125GOLD MEMBER
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So is most of the error as simple as the step being off a little in the software so an easy fix?
Thanks for the painting details.
I was wondering why you've place the pins so symmetrically? or are they that good that there isnt a "wrong way"?
Stuart
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15th March 2013, 04:42 PM #126Senior Member
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I hope its a SW fix. I've contacted Tormach to see what can be changed. Tormach have a locked version of MACH3 on the controller so I don't want to go fiddling too much.
With regards to the pins next time they won't be so symmetrical (or i'll add a third pin). One way it fits perfectly the other means its out by ~1mm. Not so obvious. I'll also mill them at the start so I can reference the two halves more easily.
Next time I make up a pattern there's a few things i'll do differently. At least from the list Josh and Ray have I think there will be plenty of chance to sort out the procedure ).
Christian
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15th March 2013, 04:43 PM #127SENIOR MEMBER
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Just about to install/epoxy some re-enforcement sleeves for the pins.
Roughed up to provide the epoxy a bit of mechanical grip
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15th March 2013, 05:43 PM #128SENIOR MEMBER
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Sleeves installed and tapered pins machined to match.
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Next job is to decide what colour to paint metrology patterns. I'm thinking prussian blue..
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15th March 2013, 06:02 PM #129GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Josh,
A little late now but are taper pins of that angle such a good idea?
I would assume if the tapers lock onto the pins at all they will have problems separating the mould.
Of course if the sleeves arent tapered none of that applies.
Fingers crossed for a SW fix Christian.
Stuart
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15th March 2013, 06:16 PM #130SENIOR MEMBER
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Sleeves are not tapered...., it "grabs" a little too much at the moment on just the last 4mm or so of the straight section of the pin at the end of the taper. The pins are not fixed in yet. I think I will bore the pin out a little and screw them into the sleeves so they can be removed from the cope half of the pattern at some stage down the track.
I'm off to find some paint...
-J
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15th March 2013, 08:36 PM #131SENIOR MEMBER
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A trip to the store and a coat of "prussian blue" latter
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15th March 2013, 08:49 PM #132Senior Member
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das ist wirklich schön )
Christian
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15th March 2013, 08:57 PM #133
I see you went for canode blue not Marco blue
Really nice job guys1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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