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8th May 2013, 07:25 PM #16Dave J Guest
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8th May 2013, 07:55 PM #17.
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Different strokes.
I have a machine that fits into the so called Euro trash category and to me its one of the most attractive machines I've laid my eyes on. Seen a few Deckels that I'd proffer my left goolie for also. But then I don't use my machines to earn a living so I can afford to have a romantic view.
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8th May 2013, 08:40 PM #18SENIOR MEMBER
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I don't use mine to make a living either - they're just big toys.
Now if I didn't have the machines I already have, I'd likely have jumped on the Deckel type. But - I know from experience that the moment I've got a job set up, I'll need to set up another for something critical to another project. I hate tearing down setups so while the wonderful flexibility of the Deckel types is great, I can do more with my B/port and Vicky U2.
The swivel/tilt features of that class of mill are great for tool making and the like but I can't recall the last time I used the nod/tilt feature of the B/port - I'd rather use a tilting sub-table and not have to re-tram the head. Other people do different types of work, they have different needs.
I'm not knocking the function or quality of those machines, one day I may have a Deckel, but stylistically I prefer the 40's and 50's designs with their elegant pattern-making and flowing curves over the later, more blocky style of machine.
PDW
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8th May 2013, 08:53 PM #19Pink 10EE owner
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I am aware of that, My euro trash comment was just stirring ..
But I do like Art Deco, and thus is one reason why I like the 10EE... Not to mention in it's day was a brilliant machine, although it's day in the sun realistically was not that long...
Monarch built machines that outperformed the 10EE in the 1950's and 1960's... You will probably never see them for sale though as some people seem rather picky about alpha, beta and gamma particles... Yes Monarch also made lathes for the US nuclear industry that outperformed the 10EE... Air bearing spindles and NC controls churning out nuclear weapons by the thousands...
For me my 10EE is an indulgence not a need, I would be just as happy putting it in the lounge room on display as I would hope to be when using it.. It is a part of Australian history being a lend lease machine as well as being the most accurate machine made on a production line basis in the world (well I guess it was) when it was made in 1941. I know today the 10EE is a well out of date machine tool, for the same money as a new one you could buy a CNC lathe that would easily do what a 10EE can do plus more...
But back to the painting..
I visited a proper paint store today and got, wax and grease remover, some Septome filler, and a white metal primer...Plus sandpaper... The primer I got is only good for enamel over the top, not polyutherane...
I feel I shall have to get some high fill primer or spray on putty.... I will see what the casting looks like when stripped of paint... I really doubt I will find very many imperfections...
Still have no idea of colour, but will not be green or dark blue...
Red, dull orange, pale blue are still possibilities..Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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8th May 2013, 08:57 PM #20
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8th May 2013, 11:41 PM #21
St. Gregory's epistle to the Philistines
Mofos...the Deckel and its ilk define the high water mark of machinery aesthetics. In this set also rests the 10EE. To naysay the graceful curves yet Germanic adherence to form:function of either machine is to deny the very real geometric and mechanical virtues of these machines. Monarch Lathe was based in Sidney, Ohio. That part of the world is the western extent of the "Pennsylvania Dutch" heritage. Of course that was a misnomer for Deutsch...meaning German. You can take the boy out of Germany...
Anyway. These fine machine tools reward a bit of attention. My contribution to this thread is to suggest you jettison the Septone products and buy some Micro 100 filler. It is ten x easier to sand and bonds better, too. Only available by the four litre pack though. (Is it ok to say "gallon")
Some folks swear by POR15 paint. I like White Knight epoxy paint for no primer use. Liquid or spray.
Having said that, my patience for filler is next to zero. I use it on the worst spots, but ignore the cast iron porosity and unevenness on most machine tools. The Gold Coast 10EE is a different story...do it right. Make an icon out of it. In lavender.
GQIt's all part of the service here at The House of Pain™
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8th May 2013, 11:58 PM #22SENIOR MEMBER
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9th May 2013, 10:10 AM #23SENIOR MEMBER
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Holy cow! They are clearly done by people who would rather paint machines to make a "statement" than to use them. I couldn't bear to be next to one of them for more than 10 minutes, though perhaps the orange one I could wear my auto-darkening welding helmet while turning
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9th May 2013, 10:14 AM #24SENIOR MEMBER
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9th May 2013, 10:29 AM #25Dave J Guest
I remember those photos going through PM a few years back and think they look good.
I think it's a good start to give it a nice coat of paint as they are a nice machine, then just use is as a normal machine.
Dave
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9th May 2013, 02:25 PM #26SENIOR MEMBER
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I think they all look good, colour choice is down to taste and mood... Most machine tools in my opinion are very subdued in the colour department, which I think is a pity but it might have a practical basis. Either way I can see these machine bringing a smile to their owners face every time the go in their workshops. I think it is obvious they they all fell in love with their dream machine and wanted to spend the time and money getting a new on frock before they went dancing.
From a practical point of view as opposed to aesthetics how does the colour of a machine effect the operator/visibility? I have not given it much thought so I'm just musing, might it be better to have matte black in a very bright workshop? or bright colour in a dull workshop? A white machine would clearly show any oil leaks pretty quick smart, along the same lines as Hirano's 5S philosophy, its the nail that sticks out that will get hammered.
-Josh
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9th May 2013, 03:08 PM #27GOLD MEMBER
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Painting machines
I vote for the orange one.
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9th May 2013, 03:12 PM #28Dave J Guest
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9th May 2013, 03:15 PM #29Dave J Guest
Josh,
I think the only trouble you would have with colours is finding something in the chip tray, but other than that I don't see any problems with colours.
Do we all need to stick to the Bridgeport grey?
Dave
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9th May 2013, 04:01 PM #30GOLD MEMBER
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Definitely the blue one - it's very calming
Cheers,
Rod
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