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25th June 2011, 12:18 PM #1son of a blacksmith
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pot belly butterfly valve
anyone got any ideas on the assembly of a butterfly valve in a pot belly stove?
ive put a few together and they are either open or closed, nothing inbetween.
ive tried springs but i find they lose their tention and become soft from the heat also tried cutting a thread and tightening a nut onto the shaft of the butterfly to put weight on it, but it comes lose eventualy. any ideas would be appreciated.
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25th June 2011, 01:12 PM #2Intermediate Member
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In my opinion, the best way to make this type of assembly is with a quadrant plate and bell crank. The attached pictures show the details of a pot belly stove I made about 22 years ago. It's looking a bit worst for wear now, but it gets used every winter, and the wife normally has it going 24 / 7 this time of year. The fittings are all 316 stainless steel.
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25th June 2011, 02:00 PM #3Intermediate Member
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Along the same line as Erickendall, the shaft will need to be attached to a notched or pinned arc or quadrant to give incremental steps. The previous post is a much better engineered than I was thinking. Basically my thought was to use a long small diameter rod at right angles to the shaft which would be flexible enough to spring from notch to notch or hole to hole as you moved it up and down. Would remove the need for linkages? But then I haven’t actually made such a device so it's speculative.
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25th June 2011, 06:32 PM #4son of a blacksmith
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ive given thought to your idea in the past but if you take a look at the attached pics you will see my problem. i made this the other week for a friend and the style you suggest just wouldnt go, the butterfly was nice and tight to start with but that was lost with the first firing.
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25th June 2011, 07:47 PM #5Intermediate Member
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Why not go with this:
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25th June 2011, 09:02 PM #6Intermediate Member
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As per erickendall's drawing except that it's just a push - pull rod. Notches in the rod engage with a simple bracket at front of the heater (could be simple bracket with a hole for the rod to slide through). Wish I could draw. However such a arrangement could be placed over the top or to the side of the heater body.
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25th June 2011, 09:51 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Driftabout,
This the sort of thing you mean?
(Wouldnt work exactly as drawn!)
erickendall,
How hot did the s/s handle get?
Stuart
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25th June 2011, 10:11 PM #8son of a blacksmith
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can't do it with the lever/handle on the lid, every heater/stove i make has a removable lid with a grill beneath itand is left flat intentionally so you can put the kettle on it while your doing the impotant stuff in the shed, besides i don't think its all that attractive having something that resembles roosters tail on the lid. im thinking more along the lines of an internaly counter balanced butterfly that will sit on any position from 0 degrees to a right angle without flopping open or shut. any suggestions?
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25th June 2011, 10:14 PM #9GOLD MEMBER
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Can you bring the butterfly up the flue a little?
You could fit erickendalls idea directly to the butterfly or have the quadrant hang down from the butterfly shaft and have a moveable weight. Hook the weight into the hole that gives you the opening you want.
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25th June 2011, 10:31 PM #10Intermediate Member
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[QUOTE=Stustoys;1338174]Driftabout,
This the sort of thing you mean?
(Wouldnt work exactly as drawn!)
Yep, now if the butterfly shaft is extended out so the push pull rod just clears the side with the lever action pointing down. Or as suggeted move the butterfly up and have it directly on the near the flue.
Might even be able to organise the rod and lever internally, not sure how to proved a sound and smoke tight gland. I've tried to think of a butterfly valve in a industrial context that does what kraits is after, but I draw a blank. Not much help really, sorry.Last edited by Driftabout; 25th June 2011 at 10:37 PM. Reason: level to lever
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26th June 2011, 12:25 AM #13
How about makin a simple plate with a series of holes drilled vertically, fitted to the side of the chimney.
Much like a ladder.
Just put a hook on the end of the bell-crank (and a wooden handle would be a good idea! ) which can be placed in the appropriate "rung."
You'd need to counterweight the flap so it naturally fell towards the open (or shut) position by gravity when the hook was moved to a lower rung, though.
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26th June 2011, 09:55 AM #15son of a blacksmith
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ive taken your ideas in and come up with something a little less obvious, ive tried to attach a drawing of it, take a look and let me know if you can see any problems with it, thanks
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