Thanks Thanks:  0
Needs Pictures Needs Pictures:  0
Picture(s) thanks Picture(s) thanks:  0
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst 1234
Results 46 to 49 of 49
  1. #46
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Melbourne
    Age
    68
    Posts
    1,417

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Not.


    Received today:

    I cannot understand where you source all these crap file examples from. I have never held anything that badly made in my hands. I would or could not use that thing above on anything, not even on old horse shoes. Hell, even cheap chainsaw files are FAR better made!!!

    Looks like nowdays one must buy (and pay) for "precision" class files to get a decent file. Some 10 years ago normal "engineer's" class files were almost as well made as precision files, just dimensionally not as accurate (precision files have 0.1 or 0.2mm size tolerance).

  2. # ADS
    Google Adsense Advertisement
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Advertising world
    Age
    2010
    Posts
    Many





     
  3. #47
    FenceFurniture's Avatar
    FenceFurniture is offline The prize lies beneath - hidden in full view
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    1017m up in Katoomba, NSW
    Posts
    10,650

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cba_melbourne View Post
    I cannot understand where you source all these crap file examples from.
    Chris, that is the entire point! With small saw files THIS is all you can look forward too. Utter CRAP!

    You begin to understand what is motivating me to get some change happening.

    That file is from Pferd (via the Australian agent via Nepean Bolt in Penrith). I had to buy a box of 10, and 8 of them are like that! OTOH, the smaller 5" Double extra slim looks like this:




    What's more, it has a gentle taper that starts just below the shoulder (like it should).

    You'll note I said "German owned production". On the box it reads:
    "Limas para sierras doble extra delgadas" which is Cherman for...what, precisely?
    Last edited by FenceFurniture; 25th June 2013 at 01:31 AM. Reason: Adding "small" to "With small saw files" for clarity
    Regards, FenceFurniture

    COLT DRILLS GROUP BUY
    Jan-Feb 2019 Click to send me an email

  4. #48
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Melbourne Australia
    Posts
    1,128

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    You begin to understand what is motivating me to get some change happening.
    Do you or do you not have a commercial interest in another brand of file? Lioger. I've never understood any one to get so excited about files, with out them having a buck in it.

  5. #49
    FenceFurniture's Avatar
    FenceFurniture is offline The prize lies beneath - hidden in full view
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    1017m up in Katoomba, NSW
    Posts
    10,650

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Machtool View Post
    Do you or do you not have a commercial interest in another brand of file? Lioger. I've never understood any one to get so excited about files, with out them having a buck in it.
    First: I will get to your question after some preamble.

    Second: I have always found it best to acquaint myself with the facts before shooting (particularly if there's an unpleasant point to be made). Otherwise the possibility of looking foolish arises. Had you read the Saw Sharpening Files 101, you would have read that I have pointed out problems that we had with one type of Liogier file (the 100mm EST) in the second delivery. That's because I'm impartial, and just want a result.

    That's why I said, within this thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Of course first preference is to find a current supplier, so the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented, but that's not looking too promising at all.
    Well, Liogier isn't that current supplier, because as far as I know the problems may still exist with the 100mm EST files, and nor do they even make a DEST range of files - which are required.

    Fourth: I said this
    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    (with respect to persuading a manufacturer)...My first choice would be Liogier, because there are nearly there, but with a couple of difficulties to solve. If they can't be persuaded (because hand stitched rasps is their big go) then I'll have to approach Honauer.
    because at face value Liogier is nearly there, and that was the only time I mentioned Liogier in this thread as a manufacturer. The only other reference I made was of a story from the man himself, re cutting files in half.

    Fifth: Do I have a commercial interest? Well I would say no, as there is absolutely no profit being made. Yes, there is a very small margin on the Liogier Rasps and Files Group Buys. This is to cover expenses involved in them. One of those expenses is the costs involved in research:
    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    I am purchasing these files for testing (with my own money) from reputable retailers
    just the same as I purchased the files (32 of them) that were sent around the testing circuit last year. This was the circuit that they passed through your hands on. You might recall your comments to me at the time. It also involved around 10-12 prepaid Exp.Post bags at an approximate cost of $160-180. I was very prepared for (actually expecting) the files to be quite worn out at the end of a very exhausting test circuit, and therefore of no further use, and I would have been out of pocket by around $400 as a very rough estimate. The fact that they are still very useable, and therefore in my file drawer is simply a testament to the quality of the files - nothing else. That is also a good reason to try and solve the current Saw Files dilemma with Liogier - there is a tool development relationship already established, and the vast part of their range is excellent value for money (the words of the testers, btw). Indeed, if they are willing, then they are by far the most logical choice.

    So, as far as this is concerned:
    Quote Originally Posted by Machtool View Post
    I've never understood any one to get so excited about files, with out them having a buck in it.
    you can't say that any more because you do know of someone now!

    Sixth: Yesterday I came across a Japanese supplier of Taper files, who have the whole range. If I was so hellbent on Liogier, and making a buck out of it, then why would I have posted this under an image of the chart of the taper file range that Tsubosan produces:
    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Is this cause for I wonder?
    I do hope that answers your question sufficiently enough for you.
    Regards, FenceFurniture

    COLT DRILLS GROUP BUY
    Jan-Feb 2019 Click to send me an email

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst 1234

Similar Threads

  1. 1144 "StressProof" steel
    By jack620 in forum METALWORK FORUM
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 28th January 2013, 09:58 AM
  2. "Hand-blackened" steel
    By peterbange in forum METALWORK FORUM
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 12th May 2010, 03:05 PM
  3. how to install steel "T" nuts
    By Dengue in forum WOODWORK - GENERAL
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 29th July 2008, 10:52 PM
  4. Difference "Galvanised" and "Primed" Steel
    By Fr_303 in forum METALWORK FORUM
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 22nd January 2008, 05:59 PM
  5. My set of steel, helping "arms".
    By BANNED in forum WOODTURNING - GENERAL
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 27th September 2007, 12:11 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •