Thread: Will there be another scraping class?

Just tell her, its just like patchwork quilting, except its for blokes.

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I think it was Bruce (Abratool) that explained it best to his better half.
Regards Phil.

Originally Posted by Simplicity

So the question is do I try to explain further .

Does the release of required funds to do the course require her to have an understanding? If not then just gloss over the facts and leave it at that. Here's an analogy if you like:

Lets say your wife likes knitting. One day she says she needs to more angora wool to finish a sweater for herself. Would you require her to explain the intricacies of the fact it's plain stitch and pearl stitch? Or would you be happy with just the fact she needs some more wool?

Edit: yes, around here you are pretty much normal.

Simon

Im definately in. Any date is fine by me if its a weekend gig. A slight preference to it not being the weekend of the 11/10. Its my and my daughters birthday on the 10th and we have some family coming. I could make it if it was the last option left though, im not gunna miss it this time.

I struggle to explain scraping to people when they ask why....

For the typical home shop, why learn scraping an answer is so you can repair stuff... No different to doing a tafe course on fixing your car.. Or welding or whatever...

I do not think too many people will go out and do a fully blown machine tool rebuild, but at least you get some basic skills that can come in handy from time to time... And it may surprise you where scraping can take you... I have scraped a diesel engine exhaust manifold to get a leak free fit onto the head.. The other option was to buy a new one... No one repairs stuff any more... It worked out very well...

Imm all good advice.
Except needle craft is like scrapping to my wife lol
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I think I will just slip out on the said date and tell her I'm learning stuff.

Originally Posted by steamingbill

What tools would we need to bring ? What skills would be assumed/required prior to joining ? Have done no scraping ever but am interested. Would a total newb slow the class down ?

Any books/videos/tools we should get our hands on beforehand ?

We will cross all those bridges when we get to them. There is lots to organise, and finding enough Carbide tips, handles and iron is all part of it.

As long as your keen to learn and have some mechanical aptitude, having never touched a scraper wouldn't be an impediment. Every one works at their own pace, and we start right at the basics of how to sharpen a blade.

We have a 42 page booklet we hand out, for a little light reading. Nick Mueller on Youtube is a wealth of free infomation. There's also books / DVD's by Mike Morgan, Rich King & Michael Stets.

Perhaps Richard (R.C) could link his video from his class? That will give you a rough over view of what we get up too.

What skills would be assumed/required prior to joining ?

None at all, you wouldn't want to have a really bad back, or shoulder, tennis elbow etc. Its a little bit physical, but no harder than hand filing, hacksawing etc. Truth be known, even if we go 12 hour days, you probably only scrape for 4 or 5, the rest is filled in with talks, measuring, blueing etc. So its not like chopping wood.

I should note, that in those prices above, we feed and water you in that, quite well I might add. Theres not many options for food, close by. McDonalds? Its been a constant, in the previous classes, that you dont have to step foot off the site, so we get the most out of the available time each day.

Regards Phil.

Originally Posted by .RC.

No one repairs stuff any more... It worked out very well...

Well, except for us nutcases.

I got an anchor winch for $100. PO said it was a bit stiff from non-use. It was stiff. In fact it didn't really rotate at all.

I pulled it apart without looking too closely & dropped all the parts into a bucket of solvent then forgot them for 12 months. I didn't need it any time soon...

So a couple days ago I'm running out of bench space as I've got bits of the Power SG occupying scarce flat real estate, think I'd better start putting the winch back together.

Near as I can tell it contains parts from at least 2 winches, maybe 3, and they don't fit together real well - think tapered shafts with Woodruff keys into spur gears with a 'matching' female taper. I use the word 'matching' in its loosest sense, because that's the fit. A few other issues with shafts marginally oversize for their guide bushings, no wonder things bind.

Tomorrow it's off to the lathe to take a skim cut over the tapered shaft with the most meat & least engagement. I can fix it, no problem, but only because I have both a machine shop and the ability to use it. Otherwise it'd be a new anchor winch at $1500 or so.

WRT scraping & explaining to people, it's rarely worth the bother. Just tell them it's a required initiation into the Brotherhood of Machine Tool Users and leave it at that. If they push the point, ask if they'd rather you took up golf.....

PDW

Needles to say Phil, I'll be there as official photographer.
Mind you I am assuming that will be ok of course.

The other other Phil

Originally Posted by Steamwhisperer

Needles to say Phil, I'll be there as official photographer.

I meant to ask. 11.am? You shouldnt miss lunch. Saturday night dinner will still be the Chinese dumpling place.

Originally Posted by Steamwhisperer

The other other Phil

Is there 3 of us here now?

Originally Posted by Machtool

I meant to ask. 11.am? You shouldnt miss lunch. Saturday night dinner will still be the Chinese dumpling place.

I have had one of your barbies Phil, I will definitely be there for this one and absolutely for dinner.

Originally Posted by Machtool

Is there 3 of us here now?

Upon reflection, the other Phil

Here is the main video from the first class

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btybtxImkAE

Instead of considering yourself as 'eccentric', you might like to think of yourself as '1 in a million club member': There are 23,469,755 people in Australia today (ABS figure); I think Phil and Marco have now trained 23-1/2 scrapers from this forum (I'm the halfwittrained one)....

To give some idea of what can be achieved...

Here is something I have been mucking about with off and on lately...

It is the head off my slotter, the head was slightly worn (nothing major) and was tight at the ends of the travels and any attempt to tighten the gib was without success..

So you scrape it back in... It is finished now but an example of the sort of spotting I was getting while going through the motions..

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Here is a shaper ram I did.... I just did the ram, nothing else on the machine...

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Double V saddle on a Jones Shipman 540 grinder.... It was just getting a tickle up...

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Applying and scraping in Turcite, this on a 10EE lathe saddle..



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Originally Posted by .RC.

To give some idea of what can be achieved...

That's impressive... ! The best Josh and I have to show is half a dozen unfinished projects.. but they are on the list.

For anyone considering the course, you can watch scraping videos on youtube and read books till the cows come home, but nothing beats hands on instruction, and demonstration. All of a sudden it all clicks.

Anyone else from class 1 or 2 thinking of dumplings at Manny's ... someone has to do the quality control on these newcomers.

Ray