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26th November 2013, 04:20 PM #1.
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Tapered Roller Bearing Cup Removal
I need to replace the bearings in the tool and cutter grinder's workhead. They are a pair of Timkens incorporating integral seals. Unfortunately the seals are worn but fortunately I was able to buy a replacement pair made by Bower NTN in Japan, slightly different in design of the seal but possibly better than the originals. Some photos later will show why.
I have to remove the cups. Hercus provided a gap of about 3mm below the cup for a removal tool. None of my bearing pullers will work in the confined space. The bore of the cup is about 47mm. I'm thinking of making a split lipped bush with a bore of 12mm. The bush will have a gap between the adjoining halves sufficient to allow insertion ( I glossed over the need for the corners of the lips to be removed in the sketch ) A 12 mm cap screw would ensure that the halves are correctly spaced and another bush (pink) holds the halves together. A nut and washer complete the assembly. I would use a press to remove the cup.
Any better way or can anyone see something else I've glossed over?
BT
ps. I apologise for the garish colour scheme.
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26th November 2013, 04:41 PM #2Mechanical Butcher
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That won't quite work, Bob, unless it's modified a bit more.
Just halving it, will still be too large along the cut edges I think, to fit past the bearing cup.
Maybe remove metal from the splits' "ends"?
Or, don't split it all the way through, but only as far along the part as near the end of its small diameter, to keep it in one piece.
Make say 3 or 4 diametral cuts, such that each sector can collapse inwards in a springy sort of way, past the cup. No need for the top bush.
Jordan
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26th November 2013, 04:42 PM #3Pink 10EE owner
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A bead of weld along the inside for about half way round will shrink the cup and it will fall out.... Not that I guess you want to do that, but it is how you do it with the likes of machinery...
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26th November 2013, 04:44 PM #4GOLD MEMBER
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not bad
hi bob is the grinder work head cast iron?
i think this is well thought out.
a lot of people would hit the bearing part with the freeze spay
and pry it out.
i like your idea better .
if you pack the gap between the bearing and housing
with grease and make a good fitting dolly. hitting the dolly with
a hammer should push the the bearing out of the casing. or at least move it
up wards.
a bit like a nut splitter.
there is of course the bead of weld method.
i think either the grease or your split ring sould
get it out.
aaron
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26th November 2013, 05:14 PM #5GOLD MEMBER
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most days
here is a photo of the tool id use most days of the week to remove
the bearing cap.
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but if making a proper extraction tool is on the cards thats great.
aaron
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26th November 2013, 05:54 PM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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26th November 2013, 07:48 PM #7SENIOR MEMBER
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id go with the weld thats how i did it with farm machinery just protect evrything for slag
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26th November 2013, 07:49 PM #8GOLD MEMBER
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Weld it as stated or spend your time friggin around with pullers.
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26th November 2013, 08:31 PM #9SENIOR MEMBER
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Richard and most others have already suggested welding, which is the way I would approach it too, and if you use a mig, you can get plenty of heat, without much slag to clean up. Best of luck with it Bob
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26th November 2013, 10:47 PM #10GOLD MEMBER
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i dont know
why stick a molten metal in your grinding head if you dont have to?
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26th November 2013, 11:31 PM #11.
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I don't have to and I won't. Twenty years ago I was a reasonably deft hand with a welder, now I reckon my wife would give me a run for my money. I haven't used my little stick welder for 12 years and given the rarity of the workhead, rekindling my skills on it isn't going to happen. I'll frig around pullin.
The photos below show one of the cups insitu and the original sealed cone in place. The seal should contact the cast iron housing, it doesn't. The new bearing has a deeper cup and a smaller diameter seal. The seal contacts the ground bearing surface of the cup. Should do a better job than the original.
Thank you all for the suggestions.
BT
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27th November 2013, 12:53 AM #12GOLD MEMBER
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Has anyone tried the welding trick with a TIG?
I doubt it would work as well but it should still work and there would be a lot less cleaning up to do.
Stuart
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27th November 2013, 05:47 AM #13SENIOR MEMBER
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Hi Bob,
If you are like me and not a good 'shot' with the welder you can machine up some pieces to cover the exposed areas of the housing and clamp them in position. If they get welded to the cup it won't matter.
I normally use three runs longitudinally in the cup.
One other thing is to make sure that the half of the earth clamp with the cable attached is touching the cup to save arcing through.
Phil
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27th November 2013, 08:28 AM #14Senior Member
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I think that's a good way to approach it Anorak if you are going the non welding route. I suspect that the split out of your nominal 47mm OD will be around 10mm, but you will still have enough lip left to remove the cup.
I really enjoy having a lathe next to me when I'm doing press work, I can turn up exactly what I need for a job, no more making do with (sometimes marginally safe) piles of washers and sockets etc.
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Mentioned before one lives & learns, & I continue to learn, from the vast expertise & knowledge expressed in solving problems, presented on the Forum.
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