Thread: there's end mills and then there are endmills

Hi

I hope it turns out OK for you , but seeing as the seller is a long way away,he probably thinks he can get away with it

I had some bad end mills from the Adelaide seller ............... no names .The CTC ones I bought seem to be good so far

Mike

Not good at all Richard. Hope you can sort it out.

I think i have said it before but i have given up on "no name" cutters, the CTC ones seem to be at the better end of the scale but i think they are a bit hard and therefor brittle, i have broken a fair few clean off at the end of the flutes, but only since i have had the Vernier, i never broke one on the HM50.
I think it is worth the money to buy known brand quality cutters, they may cost more but especially for those with T&C grinders (you just picked up a Darex didn't you Richard?) make way more sense in the long run. NOS cutters can often be found cheaply on ebay, like those 1" sutton radius corner slot drills that a few of us bought a month or 2 back, $13 each.

Cheers,
Ew

Originally Posted by Ueee

Not good at all Richard. Hope you can sort it out.

I think i have said it before but i have given up on "no name" cutters, the CTC ones seem to be at the better end of the scale but i think they are a bit hard and therefor brittle, i have broken a fair few clean off at the end of the flutes, but only since i have had the Vernier, i never broke one on the HM50.
I think it is worth the money to buy known brand quality cutters, they may cost more but especially for those with T&C grinders (you just picked up a Darex didn't you Richard?) make way more sense in the long run. NOS cutters can often be found cheaply on ebay, like those 1" sutton radius corner slot drills that a few of us bought a month or 2 back, $13 each.

Cheers,
Ew

If you take the non discounted price the normal price suggested quality cutters...I would have thought so any way. ..

The carbide ones and inserts I got from him are good ...why this rubbish? they are supposed to made 100% in the US...has china secretly invaded them?

I am going to fight tooth and nails for my rights..i wont give up easily

Yeah I have two darex's ....well one and 3/4's..the 3/4 one is missing the spindle

I also got a couple of 1' suttons of ebay for reasonable price..$25.....not as cheap as your 13bucks tho...

Maybe 100% of the profits are made in the USA....

For the original price you would think they would be good quality, as you say maybe they missed the heat treatment stage somewhat. Do you know what grade hss they are? If you end up stuck with them maybe one of the guys with ovens (i'd do it once mine is made) could harden them again.

Ew

Originally Posted by Ueee

could harden them again.

Ew

you mean harden them....

I have no idea what grade it is

Richard
I had a similiar problem with 3 end mill carbide inserted cutters I purchased together with some piloted tap wrenches out of CDCO Tooling Illinois USA.
The cutters were in a nice wooden box, but useless, chipped after a short pass in the mill on mild steel.
The pilot tap wrenches were so far off centre, that they to were totally useless. (Made in India)
Contacted the seller but never got a reply, so will not be contacting them again.
There are a lot of potential pitfalls out there !
regards
Bruce

Originally Posted by Abratool

piloted tap wrenches out of CDCO Tooling Illinois USA.
The pilot tap wrenches were so far off centre, that they to were totally useless. (Made in India)

mine are the same...hold on, have'nt seen them for awhile......you sure you didnt pinch them

They probably are made in the good ol USA. Explains a lot.

I've never had a poor quality Chinese slot or end mill yet, despite what some people say about them.

That seller want's a rocket up his a###e.

Selling crap like that is not on.

And his response is pathetic.

Rob

Originally Posted by nearnexus

They probably are made in the good ol USA. Explains a lot.

I've never had a poor quality Chinese slot or end mill yet, despite what some people say about them.

That seller want's a rocket up his a###e.

Selling crap like that is not on.

And his response is pathetic.

Rob

I cant believe that I received the only 3 bad ones out of his so called bulk purchase?...
Anyway how can I now believe that all the others are good ones??? The unused ones may be okay but I am reluctant to use them based on his reply that he will credit only the unused.

He hasnt said he will credit the used ones...he wants to verify they are rubbish first..but that will be based on his assessment....and he lives over there.

I have to get these back to him first...still awaiting the pre printed slip...i thought I would have received this over night. but no...maybe this is an indication that he is not going to do anything anyway? I will wait and see.

I will need to escalate paypal dispute on 28 Dec if not settled by then.

The fight is yet to begin.

Hi Eskimo,

A genuine seller, would be keen to get to the bottom of the problem, and go back to the manufacturer to alert their QC people to the problem, the fact that they aren't seems significant, maybe they got them at a closing down auction, without realizing they weren't finished parts?

Changing subject slightly, I've pretty much settled on CTC solid carbide cutters for mild steel, I think the sets for $120 are excellent value... 7 PCS. CARBIDE ENDMILL - 4 FLUTE - TiAlN COATED #H02
But if you really want to chew up some mild steel, get some of these.. 4 FLUTE CARBIDE ROUGHING ENDMILL CUTTER - METRIC #H50

Regards
Ray

You get what you pay for. Best brands I've found are Suttons, Hanita, and Dormer.

I purchased a chinese mill with a set of end mills and found that they only last 1 or 2 heavy cuts. I am completing an adult apprentship as a fitter and found that I cannot get the same finish with my mill as I could at school. I bit the bullet 'and purchased a suttons 16 mm end mill cost $36 but worth every cent. One thing I have found with 30+ years as a boilermaker welder and soon to be fitter is that china can't make a good drill or end mill.

Originally Posted by boilermaker1

......... One thing I have found with 30+ years as a boilermaker welder and soon to be fitter is that china can't make a good drill or end mill.

Well they can and do make good drills and end mills, but its easy in Australia to get the impression that they don't, for that I blame the AUSTRALIAN importers.

From what I see of the Australian importers they are bottom feeders, they only buy at the very bottom end of the market. Consequently much of what they offer is crap and overpriced crap at that.


Now, back to Eskimo's dodgy end mills.

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I am thinking that I will keep one of 3/4 NFG ones just incase he says all passed their testing. By having one crook one I might be able to get it independently tested to support and assist my claim with Paypal?..No?
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My take is that your supplier has ended up with a shedload of dodgy endmills that he needs to get out from under so he's selling them off cheap and pretending to be surprised when people complain. To me, you can't trust him and you certainly can't trust him to 'test' the endmills accurately if they do get returned to the US. You will find that the 3? endmills that you used were the only crook ones in the consignment - how unlucky was that???

I doubt that he is going to put any more money into this particular sale, eg a prepaid UPS return, I'd imagine that PayPal is going to be your saviour in this case.

Originally Posted by Clubman7

You get what you pay for. Best brands I've found are Suttons, Hanita, and Dormer.

Add Presto, Clarkson, Qualcut to the list. All available at reasonable prices on Ebay UK. As I had clearly pointed out to me in another Chinese versus... thread, some users don't want to spend time searching. They want it now and cheap. I'll search.

BT