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23rd Feb 2012, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by scamp go bryan! that sounds interesting...will that work? | Yes, no problem. Just means re-wiring and a bit of tuning.
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Ray | 
24th Feb 2012, 12:00 AM
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| | Hi scamp,
I'm pretty sure I know the answer.
Do you have a wiring diagram??
Stuart | 
24th Feb 2012, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scamp i would really hate to sell it but i dont really have the space to keep it if i cant use it.
i would love a phase converter but at the moment they are too expensive for me to consider and i need a working drill in the next few weeks. i would love a nice waldown that i can use straight away as its mostly for woodworking. | Hi Scamp
I have just come in from the shed and I now have 3 phase 415v rotary phase converter for a total cost of $80
bit of work still do in balancing out the phases and the rope start is a bit rough but she works
had the tool and cutter grinder running for about an hour and it worked like a charm
all you need is a old welder (that can be hooked up 250v or415v)and a 3 phase pony motor mine is 5.5hp here is a link to aussiejoeblows build over at PM
cheers
Harty | 
24th Feb 2012, 01:02 AM
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| | Peter: A small single phase motor and a start delay timer would fix the rope start and make it all automatic - wouldn't it?
Would you please show us your wiring diagram?
Also: I have a 4kW 3 phase motor for 240V Delta and 415V Star (at least I think it is - rather than 6 windings). Is it possible to run that on 240V delta with appropriate caps and feed out 415V star 3-phase to connect star wired motors to?
For reasons of my (il)logical thoughts it had never occurred to me that you need a transformer to get 415V three phase....???
Joe | 
24th Feb 2012, 01:32 AM
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| | Hi Joe
I will build a automatic start with capacitors
its only in the testing phase to see how many amps it pulls running the transformer and the 5.5hp motor with no load attached (I may need to buy shares in a power company)
the circuit is simple
240v in to welder 440ish out
wire L1 L2 to the 3phase 415v 3phase motor
also wire L1 L2 to the 3phase plug (this is to plug in your machine)
wire L3 from the motor to L3 on the above mentioned plug
so with a 5.5hp motor and no load this thing draws 16amps at 240v so you at the limit of a 15amp plug and breaker so I will need to put in a 20amp circuit or change to a smaller pony motor
the largest motor i need to run is 3hp so I can go a bit smaller on the pony motor
as for the 415 out from the star winding this is the only info i have seen
cheers
Harty | 
24th Feb 2012, 11:11 AM
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| | i will try get a wiring diagram. but i think i am best to sell it and just get a drill that i can use straight out of the box. oh well! keep an eye out in the marketplace for this drill. it is fantastic. | 
24th Feb 2012, 11:56 AM
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| | If you intend to buy new, be prepared for disappointment at what you find in that box.
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24th Feb 2012, 12:01 PM
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| | thanks bryan. i would never buy new. i would probably get an old waldown. as i most do woodwork.
this drill has always been overkill for my use nut i love the look and feel of it.
if i cant sort this out soon. it will have to go.
i have just put a listing up in the for sale section. i think my price is fair considering its capabilities and condition. it cost me way more. | 
24th Feb 2012, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scamp thanks bryan. i would never buy new. i would probably get an old waldown. as i most do woodwork.
this drill has always been overkill for my use nut i love the look and feel of it.
if i cant sort this out soon. it will have to go.
i have just put a listing up in the for sale section. i think my price is fair considering its capabilities and condition. it cost me way more. | Before you sell it:
First, look at what else is available *now*.
Second, sit down and list all the features on your drill and next to them write down how frequently you use them.
Third, for things you use frequently, can another drill do the same thing?
Fourth, if not, can yours be made to do it using a VFD or similar?
Take your time and think it through because once you sell that beast, you won't get another and I predict that sooner rather than later, you *will* regret it. I would not, for example, part with my Arboga.
I really don't understand why people just don't get 3 phase installed and be done with it. I've done it at every place I've owned, it's never been a big hassle and the cost has been acceptable.
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24th Feb 2012, 03:00 PM
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| | For anyone not finding it in the metalwork section, here's the link: pedestal gear head drill, drill press.
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24th Feb 2012, 10:39 PM
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| | i would get 3 phase installed but as my workshop is about 100 meters from the source and i have to pay for all that cable and also the re wiring and installation of a new power board, meter and sub board, im looking at quotes of 7 grand plus.
i cant believe how expensive it is. but that is what i have been quoted.
im now looking at one of those fancy vfd drives from the uk that converts 240 single to 415 three phase. for a grand i think it is money well spend if i can keep the drill and also buy and run other machines. | 
24th Feb 2012, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by scamp im now looking at one of those fancy vfd drives from the uk that converts 240 single to 415 three phase. for a grand i think it is money well spend if i can keep the drill and also buy and run other machines. | If you have a dig through some of the older posts around here, that particular company doesn't get a great wrap. Quite a few people have struggled to get replies out of them, particularly when asked for any kind of information. Your experience of course may vary, but just a heads up... | 
24th Feb 2012, 11:08 PM
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| | thanks for the heads up. for a second i thought you were talking about the drill company not the converter company. i will try them next week. if i can get an inverter that i can connect easily from these people, i will be stoked as plan on running a thicknesser and a band saw also form this so called miracle unit. | 
24th Feb 2012, 11:22 PM
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| | Hi Scamp,
I started out with a drive from them. I made a box that allowed me to switch it between two machines. I also included plugs to allow me to unplug the 415 and the control wiring to change to other machines. The 240V single to 240V 3 phase VSDs are so cheap now that its pretty much a waste of time and effort unless you have to. The plugs will cost you about $30 a machine, the cheap VSDs are not much more than $100, so for machines that can run in 240V 3phase its easier and likely cheap to buy a vsd for each.
Stuart | 
24th Feb 2012, 11:49 PM
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| | sorry stu im not quite sure what you are getting at? are you saying a should just get an inverter for each machine?
if i have to get one of those fancy 240 single phase to 415 3 phase inverters from the uk, wouldn't i be doing well to get as much use from it as possible and have it run a few machines? just set it up to switch from one machine to another? what do you think? |  | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | |
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