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21st July 2009, 09:17 PM #1
This week's eBay Machinery murderer
Welcome back viewers...
Have a gander at this milling machine pictured below. It is ebay item 140333790487
It has been sitting outside for two years, but only now got wet?
It was listed for $1500 last week and got no takers. So now its on for $3000. He left it in the rain, but assures us that its better than it looks. Wouldn't take much to get it going he says.
So, for someone who has time to re-scrape an entire mill, turcite up the saddle, replace precision bearings (rust there too you can be sure) and electrics, belt, controls and fix the paint you can have an ok mill with no power feeds.
Is it just me?
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21st July 2009, 09:37 PM #2
Very sad .Its worth about $3.50 and a kick in the nuts .
Kev"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend ,inside a dog it's too dark to read"
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22nd July 2009, 12:04 AM #3Senior Member
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$3000, tell him he's joking
Would cost $1000 just to get the table ground back professionally then there is everything else that has to be either refurbished or replaced.
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22nd July 2009, 12:25 AM #4Senior Member
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Says he's had two offers. Maybe you'll have to up your offer to $3.50 without the kick in the nuts Kev :P
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22nd July 2009, 01:13 AM #5
I offered him my jousting sticks for it but he turned me down.
I am part way through restoring a small lathe which will cost many thousands. (It led a sheltered life and was babied-no crashes and lots of lube) I reckon you could spend a lazy 6 grand on that mill + purchase costs + shipping and many many hours of labour* to have a machine almost as good as you could buy new for 9K before haggling.
*time: I think I'll have a solid 300 hours of work on my lathe, about 15 hours per inch of bed length. But that's a complete rebuild, top to bottom. Including scraping. That mill would be easily three times as much scraping.
Precision spindle bearings are going to be maybe $1000/set, maybe more as I don't know what Wells-Index uses there. I imagine the screws are screwed too. Water in the coolant sump? Turcite to restore the saddle geometry will be $500+. Grinding ALL the ways will be $1500+ before scraping for bearing. If it was my project I'd be looking at an easy $2000 for a VFD and DRO. Paint and ancilliaries? Maybe $400? (two years outside means all new wiring, new glands, new switch gear. Fumigation.
Anyway, I hope you enjoy this testament to optimism on the part of some sellers.
i take it as an article of faith that if a machine is for sale on the used market its because its worn out. If it is subjected to the elements it quickly becomes scrap. Maybe $200 depending on the mood of the scrap merchant.
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22nd July 2009, 11:23 AM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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I was watching this machine when it was first listed. I thought it had 1 bid on it and then the next thing it was relisted. Maybe I was wrong.
I don't know what the issue with the rust is. as it rusts the ways all get a bit tighter. whats the problem? LOL
bollie7
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22nd July 2009, 03:19 PM #7Senior Member
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He didn't like my offer for $200
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22nd July 2009, 03:40 PM #8
Well, let's see how he likes $150.00
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22nd July 2009, 09:11 PM #9
One light shower he says ,pigs brow , that rust is from more than a light shower .
He should just get the kick in the nuts and pay me the $3.50 .
Kev."Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend ,inside a dog it's too dark to read"
Groucho Marx
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22nd July 2009, 10:03 PM #10Product designer retired
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Skip the kick in the nuts, they are probably well and truly rusted also.
What a shame, a damn shame. Reminds me of my Hercus lathe before I rescued it, and still going.
As Greg mentioned, it takes hours and hours of loving time to put things right, from the ground up.
Ken
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22nd July 2009, 10:03 PM #11
A light shower of rain...
Well, compared to 40 days and 40 nights, yeah. I am drawn to that listing just for its shear sh*tiness, even for eBay. Obviously the guy's not an expert, quoting the motor nameplate instead of the mill's. It must have been at someplace big going by the inventory tag painted on the ram. Salt mine?
I wonder what those two big holes are on each side of the main casting? They don't appear on any illustration of a Wells-Index that I can find.
Worked all day on my lathe today, can't see any progress though. That mill makes me tired just looking at it.
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23rd July 2009, 10:37 PM #12
that's a scrapper find something that is at least good enough to be used. If it isn't then it mostl likely isn't worth restoring.
I did see a flick on you tube once of a scrap machine. It was a big big hopper with two rollers downt the bottom with big pins sticking out all the way around. They dropped a 350 Chev block in it and it fell down and down this machine was a lot bigger than the engine block.
The block bounced around like a pinball beaten to pieces then in the next frame someone was holding chips of cast in their hand. Tiny chips 10mm x10mm or so. Maybe that's what they need for that mill?
StudleyAussie Hardwood Number One
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23rd July 2009, 10:53 PM #13
Yeah, those are hammer mills. The videos make me laugh...swallowing truck tires and volkswagens and office furniture. You're right, that ebay mill and this bad boy should get together:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPDLX0koXFs&feature=related"]YouTube - WATCH IT SHRED! \The "Hippie" Bug// (SSI Shredder)[/ame]
And this one:[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JUBBEhrvfc&feature=channel"]YouTube - WATCH IT SHRED! \\Engine Blocks// (SSI Shredder)[/ame]
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24th July 2009, 12:26 AM #14Member
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I like those shredders !! I have a few old cars here that could do with that treatment
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24th July 2009, 01:20 PM #15Senior Member
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I reckon this guy knows what to do with it
http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/scrapiron03.html
The second page is worth checking out for a giggle
http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/scrapiron04.html
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